Eff stacks are $480

V1- I have played with him once before and he is a competent yet a little spewy player. Not too much info.

V2- Total loose fish. Totally arrogant guy talking about how rich he is and how "he drives car's that a these peasants around here have never seen." He plays once or twice a week and is one of the biggest fish in the game. He plays draws like the nuts.

V1 UTG+1 opens to $20, V2 UTG+2 calls, Hero MP raises to $80 with AA
V1 calls, V2 calls.

9TJ $247

check, check, Hero?($400)

Thoughts?

Interesting. I was in a hand like this yesterday. If these guys are loose callers, should have pumped it up a hair higher. Like say $90-$100. All depending upon your image and how loosey-goosey they are. But I do like the raise size. You can't give a free card here. You have to bet and I would say a probe bet for $80-$100 or a pot sized bet. Depending upon your play style. Be prepared to shut it down though...

3bet size should be a bit more I believe.

I'm in between checking back and see the turn and bet/getting it in on the flop.

I think I'm checking back the flop with the intention of seeing a safe turn before I put any $ in the pot. It's probably nitty/sub-optimal, but I'm not a big fan of getting it in on this flop vs a range that has me absolutely destroyed.

it also helps that you have the Ac here obviously. You can rule out some FDs from their range and you have a BD FD.

I was in a very similar hand with 2 red KK on a 9TT flop. I raised to 80 after a 20 opener and 1 caller. After the flop I wished I made my pf raise a little larger. so........
Suggest a bit larger pf raise 100
The way played I would bet on the flop ~ 100. If both call see what develops on the turn.

The bad thing about placing a bet here and v1 puts you on an overpair and shoves it'd be hard to call. Even against v2 who plays draws like the nuts, if he shoves without v1 in the pot you can assign a more wide range like kxc kcx qxc qcx jcx etc. So checking can be optimal because if a club falls you still have the redraw

Well, seeing as villains called a 3-b I think this hand hits them a lot less than you would imagine. Still, I think the proper move is pot control here. I am gonna take a very passive line here... I probably c/c/c non-scary cards. c/f a scary card. I am a little at a loss on this one as I don't know any of lagtard's preflop tendencies.

In before Always_Titling's lecture about SPR and commitment threshold.

Read the player descrips v2 can easily have a hand that the board smacks

i kinda like this since you have position. if any of them check raise you, you can't call... unless you have a sic read. i like checking behind on the flop, see a blank turn, and if they check turn again then fire.

in b4 i get mad

If we bet were not folding to a raise from V2 especially. He could have a lot worse hands in his range that we do pretty good against. The pot would be huge and we would have great odds.

I was expecting a lot of people to say 'a little more preflop' and I agree. I think $90 or $100 would have been good. But one thing that crossed my mind was that these guys aren't playing fit or fold. So there not really drawing to crack Aces like a lot of players would be doing calling this my 3bet here. So the situation is less of a RIO situation and more of a + implied odds situation. What I mean is that V2 can over call my 3bet w JTo then stack off with TP.

So I felt it less necessary to cut their odds PF. Does this make sense?

Raise pre is fine. Raising more is pointless as these guys (esp v2) aren't going to fold because you've cut their odds...They are here to play.

AP, perfect spot to have a hand like your's in position. So use it, and get a free turn card. Not because you are afraid of being check-raised, rather because there is a good chance you are behind at the moment. A number of turn cards, i.e. A, K, Q, any flush can only improve your equity to dictate the direction you want to proceed

Yea im saying it'd be hard to call v1 shoves while if v2 shoves we can call