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2/5 99 SB vs thinking LAG 2/5 99 SB vs thinking LAG

11-06-2010 , 05:01 PM
Hero has played very TAG. History includes 4betting AK pre from SB vs short stack of 25bb UTGs raise and MP 3bet, shorty called with 88 and MP folded KK preflop.

Villain is laggy young kid. 3rd hand of the night 4bet all in on flop of Q56r with 78 and got called by 3bettor with AQ. Overall makes interesting plays sometimes but usually very aggressive/thinking.

Folded to villain
effective stacks $500
Villain CO bets 25
Hero SB 99 calls
BB folds

Flop Qh 4h xh ($55)

Hero checks
Villain bets $45
Hero calls

Turn Kc ($145)

Hero checks
Villain bets $100
Hero folds

1) do I 3 bet pre against lag and hope I don't get shoved on pre or on flop.

2) do I just fold flop after missing set? I expected a Cbet 100% from AK etc hands and a smaller bet of perhaps $30 with KQ, AQ hands, which is why I c/c

3) turn I feel like he's know connected so I c/f.

Is the flop ever a c/r or is c/c fine? Also after hand he smiled and said u shoulda raised flop. He'd been dishing out poker strategyto the whole table most of the night so I assume he had AK
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11-06-2010 , 05:31 PM
This is pretty standard. Played it right on each street. You have to call the flop because hes c betting 100%(especially on a flop that dry), it is never a check raise because nothing you beat is calling you. It is ok to fold as the turn hits a large part of his range if he hadnt already hit.

btw 4 betting AK is pretty lose.
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11-06-2010 , 05:48 PM
Ok I'll post the AK hand to keep it seperat and please comment in why u wouldn't do it.
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11-06-2010 , 07:22 PM
yea looks good, if VIl bet turn smaller i might be inclined to call or raise depending on trying to get some tells but too many scare cards+OOP+no concrete reads= fold is right.
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11-06-2010 , 11:37 PM
i call turn all day. Villain will take this line with his entire range every single time. Calling flop, folding turn is huge EV for him.

Call turn and fold river. Usually villains just dont pull the third trigger. And this is not close IMO.
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11-07-2010 , 12:27 AM
do u c/f any bet OTR? Vil makes 100 bet do we call?
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11-07-2010 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MK7749
do u c/f any bet OTR? Vil makes 100 bet do we call?

I would never consider calling a small bet on river. I might consider calling a shove or some overbet though.
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11-07-2010 , 12:37 AM
Against this villain i think c/c turn is the best option.
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11-07-2010 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
i call turn all day. Villain will take this line with his entire range every single time. Calling flop, folding turn is huge EV for him.

Call turn and fold river. Usually villains just dont pull the third trigger. And this is not close IMO.
I don't like the line you chose at all and agree with ANL. There are plenty of ways you can play this that I wouldn't have a problem with, but call flop and fold turn is giving away money. Here are some suggestions that come to my mind.

In my mind, the options were:

- I 3-bet preflop for value. If he 4-bets, I'm ready to stack off with 99 against this villain.

- As played, on the flop, you can choose to c/f, c/c (all the way, all the way no heart, etc.) I like check-raising here to $150, and fold if he comes over the top. If he flats I shove any turn. Really any line except c/c and folding on turn I can see justification for.
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11-07-2010 , 07:53 PM
hero has a heart? Seems like an important part of the decision to me.

I am folding turn in any case. Quite surprised people are suggesting a call. Our equity v his range is gross, assuming he can bet a Q here some %. Yes, he can bet his whole range here, but unless he opens too often we just have to give up.
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11-07-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
hero has a heart? Seems like an important part of the decision to me.

I am folding turn in any case. Quite surprised people are suggesting a call. Our equity v his range is gross, assuming he can bet a Q here some %. Yes, he can bet his whole range here, but unless he opens too often we just have to give up.

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not by my calculations

If i give villain a modest 21% opening range in CO, then
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.782% 61.54% 00.24% 33957 132.00 { 66+, A4s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 38.218% 37.98% 00.24% 20955 132.00 { 99 }

and on turn we need 29% equity to call.

So easy call to me IF villain barrels his air 100% here and i think he will.
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