Games is pretty good lots of action, and a lot of deepstacks.
2-5 game

Villain 1 is an Asian guy who has like 6k and covers everyone. He hasn't been seen getting out of line too much, an orbit or 2 ago he min raised me, from 100 to 200 and i called and folded the turn. I haven't seen him show down much. Everytime i see him he always has a lot of chips though, and I've seen him on 3 different occasions

Villain 2 has like 2k. He is pretty good action, he has been giving and getting action, definitely not a nit and he does call light.

I have like 2500. I was tilting for a while and spewing off chips when I first sat down at this table and have reloaded like twice. Everyone was getting a piece of my money it seemed like, I might have been viewed to be tilting by the table, not sure, but I defintely was steaming a little. I have been playing pretty aggressive though, opening a good amount and c-betting.

On to the hand.

I get dealt JJ in sb, Villain 1 limps utg + 3, villain 2 limps cutoff, button limps, i make it 45. Villain 1 and 2 call, button folds, we're 3 handed.

Flop (140): AKJ
I bet 85, call, call. I try to keep my bet sizing roughly the same, so when I miss I can get cheaper c bets in.

Turn (395): 4
I bet 260, villain 1 tanks and makes it 690, villain 2 folds. What are you doing?

After some comment I will post what happened

First of all, is there any chance he is limp calling AA, KK? Unlikely IMO.

I would prefer to bet pretty large on the flop. Lots of pair plus draw, naked draws, 2 pair in their range. I think you can fluctuate your bet size according to what it is you want to accomplish w/o fear of being exploited at the 2/5 level, especially when you are likely to get the same number of calls for $120 as you will for $85.

On the turn, I think bet size is ok, although an argument could be made for a larger bet. Waiting to raise the turn, screams of flopping the nuts IMO. The question is if we are getting implied odds to fill up and will he pay when you hit and bomb river?

Its $430 to win $915 and we will have $1680 left. So how much can you get from him on river,if any, and will you have the discipline to x/f if you miss?

literally can't think of a hand he does this with other than QT, especially if he is a good player.

raising the turn with any sort of draw as a semi bluff would be god awful, and the only hands he could be raising for value is KJ, possibly AJ but more often than not he opening for a raise rather than l/c. but even then raising with KJ or AJ on this board is extremely light.

i think a decent player here is never showing up with anything other than QT. your getting decent odds to call and only to make up a small amount on the river to make this a profitable call. you could go for a c/r otr bc any decent player is not checking back even if the board pairs for fear of missing value.

cbet size is garbage. 120-140 please. I get the idea of "balancing" bets here, but this isn't the board to do it on vs this many people.

also, The question seems like a simple pokerstove equation.

The pot is 915. It is 430 to call. If we call, our stack is ~1680 (so prob anywhere from 1650 to 1700). So our implied odds are 430 / 1680 (3.9 to 1) and our immediate odds is 430 to 915 (2.12 to 1). If he always has QT and is always going to stack off, we're calling 430 to win 2595 (~6 to 1).

I guess I would call turn and c/f shoved river, c/cry-call a smallish bet (~600?), c/r a paired river.

will he do this with a10spades type hands?

Sick spot. Looks like q10 but he will have ak and maybe worse two pairs some of the time. I'd call turn and ship river if board pairs. You shouldn't check raise because I know man llsnl would check river if board pairs even wih nut straight. The bigger question is what do u do if u miss river and he fires a regular bet (about 1/2 pot)??? I'd bet 120ish on flop, there are few villains who will catch on and u are missing a lot of value since that flop bet adds up quickly by the river

Questions I would ask myself or be thinking about:

1. I doubt he has AA or KK villain limped and he didnt 3 bet preflop.

2. Since you have history with Villian what is his preflop limp/call range?

3. How does he play flush draws or combos?

4. Would he call $45 preflop with Q10 and OOP vs other players?

5. Wouldnt he raise you OTF with 2 pairs?

6. Is he making a move on you because you are tilting?

7. Have you seen him bet with air?

8. How does he play AK?


I would only call to keep all the hands I beat from folding. Also I would make it about $100-110 otf.

I agree, but I'm always betting around this amount with my bluffs too, so I felt like if I c-bet 115 its gonna be setting off some alarms. Really limp calling, they might have suited cards, pocket pairs or an ace with a draw, never feel like they have AK, maybe KJ or AJ, but they probably raise flop with this

Anyway I called river brings a King of spades bringing in the flush, im first up. Sorry on the flop the Ace was a spade not the king

i pmed u good sir

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I think trying to 'balance' with bet sizing at this level is not going to be optimal.

I think you should bet the K river. Even if villain has QT, I think he's highly likely to check in back when both draws get there.

Probably obvious, but now I think you need to push for value. Only losing to KJ, (and three of the jacks are accounted for) or AA/AK/KK, any of which would be oddly played given the l/c pre. Q10 may call you, as well as a flush (A10 of spades?).

He obv has royal and thats what you're dying to tell us? The big raise on the turn smells like QTss.