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02-10-2016 , 10:21 AM
Sorry for formatting. First post. 5 handed. no reads just sat down maybe an orbit or two ago.


V just sat down before hero with 220 or so
Hero with 400

Hero thinks V is a weak player just because V bought in for so little.


Pre Flop: ($400) Hero is SB with K 10
3 folds, Hero bets $15, V calls $10.

Flop: (~$30) K 6 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $25, V raises to $50, Hero calls

Turn: (~$130.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, V bets 110. What do???
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02-10-2016 , 11:01 AM
Welcome to the forum, OP.

Five-handed, I don't hate the raise, even in the worst possible position. i definitely bet the flop as well. I might go a tidge smaller. I make it $20.

As played, since it's a min-raise I don't hate calling to re-eval, but without improving I'm never putting more money in to the pot.

The turn is an easy fold, imo. V is very committed and doesn't care. That is almost always a better K or 2-pair+. The only hand you really beat is 57s, and you're not doing well against that, esp if it's 5h7h. Other bare draws (and likely that one too) probably raise bigger OTF when they raise at all for better fold equity.
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02-10-2016 , 11:54 AM
Welcome!

As played, fold.

I'm B/F the flop. Even if our TPWK is good, the opponent min-raise range likely has plenty of equity. I don't want to commit more chips, even vs. a short ES of 44 bbs.
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02-10-2016 , 12:33 PM
Note: The SB was really $2.50? Never seen that before. Did they have $0.25 or $0.50 chips in the game?

PF: OK

F (30): SPR is ~7. Cbet is fine. He only started with 44bb, so when V min-raises, 3! to $140 (he has $155 left). The reason for this is becasue I want him to pay to draw and I don't think we are going to fold when he bets the turn for something like $75 into a pot of $130; unless we actually plan to fold if a heart comes in.

T (130):
Well we should always have a plan for the hand. So when we call the flop, we should anticipate that he will bet the turn, so our decision should of come on the flop on whether we were going to get stacks in with our hand. If I called the flop, I'm calling it off here on the turn. The 5 doesn't really change much. Yeah, it straightens the board, but do you think he really min-raised with a gut shot with a hand like 87 or 32; doubt it.

Edit after reading posts: OK, the more I think about it, I don't like the 3! line I proposed, becasue this guy is probably passive since he bought in for 44bb, so this raise on the flop should be respected. On the turn when he fires, he likely isn't on a draw and our KT is likely beat. So calling flop and seeing what he does on turn is fine.

Last edited by Below Zero; 02-10-2016 at 12:39 PM.
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02-10-2016 , 02:03 PM
Welcome to the forums. Feedback can be rough, so take it all with a grain of salt and if it seems like a response is a personal attack, just blow it off because it is more likely that they aren't as adept at articulating their thoughts as they are at analyzing poker hands

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Originally Posted by Pokerlurch
Hero thinks V is a weak player just because V bought in for so little.
This is a bad assumption. NLHE:T&P actually suggests buying in for a small amount until you get a feel for a table. While 40 BBs isn't quite a short stack, it is short enough to make the post flop decisions easier so don't judge someone purely by their buy in amount.


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Pre Flop: ($400) Hero is SB with K 10
3 folds, Hero bets $15, V calls $10.
Seems fine, though $20 might give you more FE (Fold Equity) because villain has to call $15 to win $27 versus $10 to win $22

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Flop: (~$30) K 6 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $25, V raises to $50, Hero calls
A raise here could simply be villain trying to take the pot against a c-bet (this of course assumes villain is capable of thinking that Hero c-bets). With your preflop raise, it is fair for villain to put you on Ax (especially since TV says to steal blinds with Ax) and figure you missed the flop.

The oddity is that it is a min raise. That either means villain is scared and doesn't want to risk much, flopped a good draw and is trying to buy a free card, or villain flopped good and wants to walk the dog if you did have a king.

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Turn: (~$130.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, V bets 110. What do???
This is a great scare card for villain to bet with and I think calling depends on you bankroll tolerance. If you can afford to top off your stack, I call (or if he isn't all-in push so that if he is on a draw I get it all in while I can) and see what he has so I know how to play against him.
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02-10-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
This is a great scare card for villain to bet with and I think calling depends on you bankroll tolerance. If you can afford to top off your stack, I call (or if he isn't all-in push so that if he is on a draw I get it all in while I can) and see what he has so I know how to play against him.
Why do you think the 5c is a great scare card?
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02-10-2016 , 07:16 PM
Yes I think it's pretty standard till the turn, you can fold flop but the min raise says so little... now on the turn if he made weak bet it's gets more interesting...

When he bets big, meh, nh, fold next hand. If he has outplayed me then fair play to him, it's too much of a spew call with very little to go on.

Don't think too much into this hand/board, it's situational, can't make bad fold but you can make a bad call.
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02-10-2016 , 07:27 PM
5 handed game playing 2/5 and people are short stacked...suggest finding another game.

I don't like the raise pre OOP considering V has only 40BB and it's a limped pot against unknown....essentially you're raising to take the blinds with a marginal hand??

Flop, I just fold to the raise. He just raised 1/4 of his stack so can be pretty certain the rest is going in on turn or river. You're assuming he's a weak player and he just raised the flop...should be indicating he most likely has a strong hand and only way you can improve is hitting a T (K comes you're either far behind or not getting paid off). Wait for a better spot.
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02-10-2016 , 08:08 PM
Thank you everyone for your thoughts so far. I wanted to see if I made a bad decision and it seems like the community so far is kind of split.

As it turns out, I felt the guy with the min raise was setting up for a turn shove, which ended up happening. I went into the tank for a little bit and decided to shove him for the last of his chips. That turn card was rather dry and if I had him on the flop I should still have him on the turn, unless he was playing the gut shot. I figured he had hearts and middle pocket pairs and in his range as well. Luckily I was right and he showed down AJ and the river bricked out.

I ve lurked in these forums a long time and finally had the courage to give posting a try. Thank you all again. Good luck on the felt.
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