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/: 44 in BB vs Button Preflop /: 44 in BB vs Button Preflop

03-22-2014 , 08:52 AM
$500 eff. SB left, so no SB and I'm BB for $5. Folds around to button. Button seems a bit drunk or high and aggressive, he's berated the whole table for being nits just a minute ago. He makes it $20.

You and why? Please also provide a plan for postflop.
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03-22-2014 , 09:10 AM
I'm folding small pocket pairs OOP headsup preflop....

If against a fit or fold type player that you know you can outplay...sure why not but against aggressive drunk...you're not going to have any idea where ur at unless you hit ur set. -EV play...let it go and wait for a better spot to get his money.
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03-22-2014 , 10:24 AM
I would call and set mine here most of the time. This is because I expect an aggressive drunk to lose a lot of money if hero hits. If villain does know how to fold, then heads up OOP with a small pair, I would still set mine occasionally but fold most of the time.
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03-22-2014 , 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadJ
I would call and set mine here most of the time. This is because I expect an aggressive drunk to lose a lot of money if hero hits. If villain does know how to fold, then heads up OOP with a small pair, I would still set mine occasionally but fold most of the time.
Set mine against 1 villain OOP?? Simply -EV...
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03-22-2014 , 11:33 AM
I'm usually folding this. Unless the guy is a complete idiot who will stack off with any pair or make a huge bluff, you don't have the implied odds to make this call. If there is some button vs. blind dynamic going on where this becomes a regular thing you can start using hands like these to 3-bet or try to make plays on the flop, but with how rare button open raises are in most games, I'm inclined to just let this one go.
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03-22-2014 , 12:42 PM
Drunk and aggressive? Awesome. I'm calling to set mine. This drunktard might stack off with any piece of the flop, or end up bluff shoving on the river.
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03-22-2014 , 12:56 PM
You can call to set mine. It's 15 more with 500 in stacks, so you're getting 33x stack odds. That's plenty.

It's not like a slam dunk or anything, especially oop, but I'd go with it, particularly given description of V.

3-betting is so meh because if he could easily spaz 4-bet (and you need to fold) and if he calls, it does not sound like he's the most likely candidate for playing fit or fold post-flop. So just call, keep the pot very small, and you can play relatively fit or fold with your 44.

Post-flop, I'm definitely checking all flops to him given your read, and if I bink a 4 on the flop, I'll probably check/call flop and turn, as well. If you miss, just check/fold flop.
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03-22-2014 , 06:19 PM
Hm.... I was actually thinking 3-bet. He was obviously stealing with ATC red-handed! Most likely he has 2 overs basically ATC and he's 70% to miss flop. And he wasn't drunk drunk, he was just a bit off.
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03-23-2014 , 03:47 PM
The less drunk and aggressive villain is, the less this is worth playing at all.

Unless villain has a history of folding to 3 bets or making a lot of steal raises in LP, I don't like it here. A generic aggressive villain is going to call more then fold, and your stuck playing 44 OOP heads up with a very low SPR even if you 3 bet small to $50. I would rather have two face cards then a small pair here to steal, because it is more likely hero is good with one pair on flop.

If your convinced he is stealing and are just going to resteal banking on him missing most flops, what your cards are don't really matter at all. Even against aggressive villains, I don't like blind restealing though, I want to have a hand that has decent flop equity for the situation. Otherwise your on a sort of overbet bluff, where it has to work more then fail just to break even.
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03-23-2014 , 04:00 PM
I don't like 3betting here. Against these guys they call too much and station too much and might rebluff post flop. And calling pre is bad unless he's triple barreling every board. Just wait for something like AT+, KJ+, 77+
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03-23-2014 , 04:05 PM
grunch: set mining seems pretty obvious.

Don't really care for anything else. In fact, I don't see how this can be much of a thread.
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03-23-2014 , 04:50 PM
Fold pre because we aren't getting odds to set mine against a wide preflop range unless he fires the 2nd and 3rd barrel with a really high frequency and there's no reads given on how we can exploit him postflop(has bet sizing tells, bets with a polarized range, shuts down on a specific street, ect.)

3betting is an option but is a bad one in this spot because he'll call with most if not all of his range and he will continue quite often on the flop by floating/bluff raising flops that miss our perceived AK/AQ.
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