Over the last 2-3 weeks I have started to 4-bet light in alot of spots with suited connectors suited gappers and connectors like 78 89 910 j10.

I only do this to thinking players who 3-bet when it looks like a squeeze situation or ones that tend to 3-bet light and are able to get away from 99-jj or AQs and AKos. I have noticed 9 times out of 10 they fold. I have even got people to lay down QQ and AK to me.

Now I obv only do it if we are 150bb+ deep. Is 4 betting light something people dont do enough or am I just being a spew monkey and watching to much durr on tv.

Depends on players and the game.

Vs. thinking players who are capable of 3betting light, of course 4betting light is printing money.

I just question how often we actually find players who 3bet light. There aren't many at 1/2. If there are they are so bad they just call the 4bet.

Makes sense online because you can multi-table and have a lot more opportunities in such spots.

In LLSNL, you'll be lucky to have one effective 4-bet in a session with garbage and burning money when you're caught.

This spot is so rare that it's pointless to even discuss in LLSNL.

I actually just recently had a thread on here that was focused on 4 betting a thinking opponent who i believed was 3 betting me light. its called "2/5 JJ pre" i think if you go back a few pages and look for it. Aintnolimit made several good posts giving his thoughts and i found it very helpful.

In my experience at 2/5, i see maybe one 4 bet pre per session that doesnt result in an all in confrontation. These circumstances just happen so seldom.

4betting light is suicide especially 150bbs/deep. 4betting depends on position and the position of your opponents. You shouldnt be opening suited connectors in ep, and if you get 3bet while your in position you should be calling wide. Now if you was playing a relentless 3bettor like myself. It depends on what position you 4bet from/if your shoving 150bbs deep or a nice 4bet size. If you 4bet from ep in raise or fold situations I like the play. I seem to always put dudes on the nuts. But 4betting from the button is a losing play vs someone of my caliber.

4 betting light is fancy play syndrome at llsnl
you should move up to high stakes nl or online poker where 4b light is the norm
coz 3b light is the norm

4-betting a donk is definitely a losing play in LLSNL, because it's rare to run into a thinking player in the game, and no one ever folds after 3-bet pre.

I think I have been 3bet maybe once in my last 4 sessions. I don't even ponder the intricacies of the light 4bet.

We also forget that if villain flats our 4-bet, we're likely going to lose more money post-flop.

Until he refers to himself in the third person, I'm not a believer.

Im only 4-betting light thinking players. I dont knw if im unlucky in this or maybe the rumors are true about the Horseshoe in Hammond is the toughest 2/5 in the country but im at the table with atleast 1 or 2 other thinkers at my table

Someone has to prove to me that they are 3betting light for me to 4bet light.

Even against thinking players some just don´t 3bet light out of certain positions.

I also have to be very active, to the point that I can get TT or AQ all-in against players and be correct in doing so.

I your 4betting people who are 3betting light routinely I can't see how this wouldn't be optimal. Although I do agree at llnl very few 3bet light. To your point though your getting people to lay down QQ and AK, if thats the case I'd 4 bet away until they adjust.

I guess this is fine, but you need pretty solid reads. In a vacuum 4 betting is not going to be profitable. It sounds like you're picking your opponents well though. Bad nits are the best to 4bet. Just hope they don't catch on.

Sounds like you are doing your job. Exploiting the aggression of others. Wht hand you do this with matters not really, except i would reserve it for when i have blockers. It helps more than people think. Like KJo much much better than JTs. When we do it with JTs its same as 87o almost unless the villain is a monkey who will float the 4 bet---and i dont allow that with my avg 4 bet sizing (even though it is balanced0 they cannot float. Or if they do they take way the worst of it. They WILL need to make a hand if they float the 4 bet light (2 big cards).

This applies very good leverage when 150bb+ also. Its very strong.

When you break it down, all of poker evolves in a next step punch type thing.
We raise to steal the blinds.
They 3 bet since we raise light.
We 4 bet since they 3 bet light.
They may shove light since we 4 bet light.

Lower limits never get above the 3 bet light. REquires higher level thought and ballz etc. to do it but it is all just one big progression of "one-upping" the other guy. (As long as the other guy is truly light often)

Sounds like they aren't 3betting light, they're just horrible nits.

What's considered 3betting light? Ill 3bet with pocket 8s against certain players to isolate and for value, but if I get 4bet by certain players ill jam or fold.

My question is, is it more complicated than just simply 3bet light and 4bet light?

So iif I put someones raising range a8 suited plus and 55 plus, than throw in suited connectors, than add in the fact that he will call oop with those hands, is 3betting with AJ 3betting light?

But than again if someone out the blinds 4bet we should fold, right?

Anyways...

I'm in agreement with ^^, sounds more like 3-betting wide more than 3-betting light. And 3-bet folding QQ/AK when someone has a frequency high enough to have multiple 4-bets in one session is bad.

In terms of someone mentioning what to do this FPS with, it really depends on how deep you are playing, and whether your opponent is shove/folding or whether you will have to play the hand out deep.

If villain 5-bets/fold, then I would prefer to have a blocker. If we are deep and we will be playing the hand out, I would prefer something like T9 suited.

The most common situation you will find thats a good spot to 4bet is actually the cold-4bet.
All it takes is a fish that you have a read that opens small with a weak hand (that acts like a juicer bet) and a reg IP that is atempting to ISO the fish with a 3bet, then you can cold 4bet and pretty much get a fold all the time. Hands that works bests are high value cards like 2 BWs for some top-pair equity if called.

When I 4-bet tho my sizing is usually not that big lets say I open for 20 and get 3-bet t0 60 I 4-bet to 140-160. I tend to make the sizing small as the better players will fold and move on unless they have a hand and if I do get call I have a disguised hand when I do hit the flop.

[QUOTE=Pharoah00;28171116]What's considered 3betting light? Ill 3bet with pocket 8s against certain players to isolate and for value, but if I get 4bet by certain players ill jam or fold.

In lower limit games or actually live games in general this is a suboptimal choice.

3bet/folding any pp is usually a poor play.

With that 4bet size you still need it to work over 50-60% of the time. I doubt in most games that will be profitable at this level.

Thanks for the advice