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03-03-2011 , 03:23 AM
This hand wasn't big in terms of getting stacks in but I found it really interesting in terms of the river play.

Prehand Descriptions
Villain 1: Tank Greek guy who is very bad, plays alot of hands and is aggressive and has been caught bluffing twice and mucks once he gets called.

Villain 2: Michael "Sticky" Guttman - http://www.pokertime.eu/profiles/michael-guttman/ who has been 3betting Villain 1 light in order to isolate him quite alot.

$2/5 NL (10 handed)
Hero in UTG+2 ($900)
Villain 1 in MP ($500)
Villain 2 in SB ($1200)

Hero is dealt 6c6d

Hero limps, Villain 1 raises to $15 and i've seen him do this with any 2 suited or connected cards, sticky 3bets to 50. I make the call because I'm deep with sticky, should I be folding my hand once he 3bets? I expect villain 1 to always call and never 4bet over my cold call in that spot. He indeed makes the call.

Flop ($150) 9c2c3c
Checked through

Turn ($150) 2s

Checked through

River ($150) 3

Sticky bets $50 into $150, I tank for a while trying to put him on a range of hands, and I can't see him slowplaying a flush and then only betting 1/3 pot on river for value or any hand for that matter, I make the call which I think is pretty standard?

Villain 1 then INSTANTLY says raise and makes it $150, sticky folds pretty quickly and so do I.

I can't put villain 1 on any range of hands, but he shows his hand afterwards. My post-hand thoughts were that if I put sticky on a bluff, i should be raising him, that way villain 1 needs a super strong hand to call/raise me in that spot and maybe even fold out better hands.

Thoughts? Should I have put a bet in on flop or turn? Should I have folded pre?
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03-03-2011 , 11:36 AM
Preflop is beyond gross. Such a clear fold.
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03-03-2011 , 01:47 PM
I don't mind the pre flop call based on your reads.

And, i don't have a problem with the flop or turn or river, but i think i'd fold to Villain 2's $50 bet as i think the odds are much stronger that he actually has something or that Villain 1 may have something and if you are not willing to call a potential raise by Villain 1 (even though he bluffs a lot) then i think that makes it an even easier fold.

With all that said, i expect if i had played this hand, i'd have done just what you did.
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03-03-2011 , 04:00 PM
I dont fold to the $50 on the river. Its hard to see him bluffing with air into 2 people after he checked 2 streets and a meaningless river fell off, but the pot odds you're getting are too good to pass up imo.

It's hard to put fishy villain on a hand as well. Maybe if he does this with a flush? I doubt it though. 99 and A3s type hands are in his range. That's about all he's repping imo. I think this is a lot closer to a call than it might seem at first. I still probably fold it though.

Last edited by dimi06; 03-03-2011 at 04:27 PM.
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03-04-2011 , 11:04 PM
Sticky says he has K high and villain 1 proudly shows AhQh

Pretty much what I was considering after was that if I think Sticky is bluffing, i should be raising him in that spot to shut out the guy behind me even though my hand has value as a bluff-catcher?

I was discussing this with my friend and he said the problem is you open yourself up to a 3bet bluff on river but I've only ever seen a 3bet bluff on river once in my entire career.
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03-04-2011 , 11:35 PM
Pre is terrible, both on the open limp and call. What are you expecting a set oop. What if the flop comes 8 7 6 you lead or c/r and get shoved on. Puts you in a bad spot oop.

Fold pre twice
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03-05-2011 , 01:40 AM
Preflop: Given the table dynamics, I think initially calling, raising, or folding are all justifiable here. I'd probably also call. Once the action comes back to you it seem like you have pretty good reads on your opponents, so you might as well use them. Reraise. So long as your image is tight and the Greek isn't such a huge fish that he'll call 4bets light, you'll blow your opponents off everything QQ and worse and maybe even KK too. If you aren't willing to make plays like this against this lineup, then you should have asked for a seat change button a long time ago to get position on them. If you can't pull the trigger then fold.

Flop: As played preflop, check is standard.

Turn: I don't know anything about Sticky, but most good players would have bet with any sort of a made hand on the flop. When the blank falls on the turn I think you should bet about 2/3 pot as long as the Greek isn't crazy enough to come over the top of you with nothing.

River: As played, I'd play the river the same as you did.

Just my opinion...
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