I'm very new to the table, but a hand occurred immediately before the hand in question that probably impacts my image.

The following hand was played horribly. Basically, a spazzing fish raised UTG+2, and I called with AKo in the BB, two others called after me. I checked a A42r flop, hoping he would shove. He bet 75, and the other limpers called 75 behind me. Turn 7, River 8, and it checked thru after the flop. I kept hoping the fish would spazshove and chickened out on betting for value myself after the limpers hung around the flop bet. I won, but it was played ridic and I look fishy.

OTTH

Very next hand. Hero has QQ in SB. Solidish player wearing MAGA hat opens to 20 in lowjack, CO calls. Hero 3b to 90. Villain calls after thinking for 20-30s, CO folds.

Flop - T 8 5. Hero bets 100, Villain raises to 300.

Hero?

Stack sizes? Short this is a an unhappy but pot committed situation, deep you have to make a read and go with it.

Yeah, you look fishy.

Otth. Need to describe to people what a MAGA hat is. (make america great again?)

Well you played the other hand super passive so when you 3-bet your hand range is face up to them. Then you c-bet this board, again relatively face up.

Fold and move on. I think he flatted AA on you but his actual range poops on you.

I just fold, and it's only because i'm new to the table, and while exploitable, I think we are beat here quite often. You just played a hand super passively, but players just aren't playing back at you that often.

You are invested $190 - and in a total **** spot. If it wasn't our 2nd hand, and we had more info i'm all for calling, but if blasts the turn, we can't really continue with out more info unless we are just gambling.

Assume you have $1000 effective based on the title.

If that's the case this is a very, very tough spot. V's value range that you're ahead of is really just JJ and maybe AT, but consider whether he'd flat either of those hands to your flop bet in position, and whether he'd even call with AT pre. His semi-bluff range seems to be mainly AcKc, which has a ton of equity against you, and maybe AcJc and Ac5c if those hands call pre flop. In a vacuum I assume he never calls the 3-bet with any hand that could give him a straight draw, but if he does that's some more hands he can semi-bluff with, but also means he could have T8 for top two. His value range that beats you is TT, 88, 55, maybe AA or KK (though have to discount those since he didn't 4-bet).

If we call here we are committed to playing for stacks generally. I think I fold. I would call with KcKx, because now there are six more combos we're ahead of and we're doing better against semi-bluffs like AK.

Keep in mind, you're going to face a turn jam @ near 100% rate. So you're not really calling $200.

Thanks this guy for saving you a boatload of money by raising and move on.

I hate these situations ... when it happens as you first sit down. I think it's important to listen to the music first, but it happens.

QQ plays best post flop. Be that as it may, let's make some assumptions.

The LJ's range is playing 30% of his hands. The CO called and if we assume he called with a better range than the LJ, we can put him on roughly, 15% of hands.

At this point, with your QQ, you are 51.2% vs 21.6% and 27.3% for LJ and CO, respectively.

On the flop, your QQ is 54.6%, but V1 is 20.8% and V2 is 24.6%. He raised though. What's he raising with? TT? He did open after all. That's possible. But, he could also have a FD or OESD.

Basically, we don't know. You've bet, he raised. I would call the raise and see the turn. QQ is too good to just give up. But I can see why you might being that you just sat down.

I would fold with no history or specific read on the player. You have shown a lot of strength, have one pair and hes telling you its no good.

It's not too good that you can't fold. You're going to face a jam at a high %, it's no longer a $200 bet. You're just burning money to call and fold turn. If you call now, it's a call on turn.

And I think both would be incredibly terrible.

It's not really a clsoe spot. It's an easy fold

I actually don't disagree with a fold. This is just one of the situations that sucks to play. When I usually sit down, I fold everything for the first pass just to avoid this.

Imagine if he never raises JJ here and flats, you're so crushed vs that range it would be a horrific mistake to flat.

This a pretty solid assessment of the situation.^^^

We don't know how wide V is willing to call your 3bet but based on the last hand V's calling range should be a bit tighter. That said I feel like it eliminates a lot of the FD/SD J9,QJ,79,T9, as well as T8. 88 and TT are still in his range.
As far as AA and KK solid players understand a 4bet turns their hand face up as AA or KK so some of the time they decline to 4bet and smooth call the 3bet for deception, and then spring the trap OTF, which is what it looks like is happening here.
I don't like to fold overpairs OTF but this seems like one of the times to just muck it and move on.

MAGA = make america great again

Stacks - see title, but I have 200bb, V covers

For 200BB I'm not going broke with QQ without some sort of read read. I would fold.

With position you can sometimes call with a plan to check behind on turn and see what develops. It's harder for villain to bluff when you are last to act. OOP villain just has too much control over the action.

I fold. In general, people just aren't raising enough bluffs in this spot. MIB's post is solid except the last part about KcKx. We specifically don't want to have the Kc as it removes KJcc, KQcc and AKcc (maybe even K9cc?). For the same reason it also sucks to have the Qc here; the added value of a backdoor flush draw is not worth enough to compensate for the Qc/Kc bluff blocker.

Readless I fold. If you know he's peeling 3bets much lighter and has **** like 57s+ in his range, it's a lot different.

Agreed with this, what I really meant to say is that I'd call with KK here but find a fold with QQ because in the former case there are 6 combos of QQ that make perfect sense for V to have and that I beat.

Yes. Continuing with KK is superior to QQ for sure ^^

Yes, you're forced to call with KK and fold with QQ.

The amount of equity swing from adding those combos is like 14% added for us.

You'll have roughly 2-3% more equity with a Kc in your hand than without.

I ended up tank folding, but it took me about 3-4 minutes. I definitely agree with the consensus, KK is a call but QQ is definitely too thin OOP. I hate folding overpairs in 3b pots but this seems pretty straightforward in the cold light of day.

Against an unknown this needs to be a x/c. Bloated pots OOP with one pair-type hands deep stacked on wet boards should be played cautiously.

What's the reasoning behind QQ being a fold but KK+ being a call? In this kind of situation QQ, KK and AA are all functionally the same. You could even argue that its better to have QQ as it blocks two straight outs.

While blockers are way overthought about the effect here would be pretty noticeable. We definitely would prefer red kings here if we were to gii.

+1

OP I hope you didn't actually take 3 mins. That is an eternity in live poker.

You can't because the equity. You have so many more combos of QQ in their range now than before they had more KK in their and and less underpairs. It's not like he has 99 here.

That's why.

The Ac blocker is much more equity changing than the Kc if for exmaple you had AA. Ac blocker is probably 3-4%

And folding AA here would be pretty bad. From QQ to AA you're talking like a 30% equity swing in your favor.

Disagree with the bolded. If we have KK, it's easy to imagine that V called a 3-bet with QQ and decided to raise this flop with an overpair, so that's 6 combos that give us value. We also chop with the one additional combo of KK if he calls a 3-bet with it. If we have QQ, we can't get value from QQ and we're behind KK if he ever flats a 3-bet with it. We just have more hands that we get value from, and fewer that beat us, with KK.