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2/5 00 eff w AK on AA3, ok to stack off? 2/5 00 eff w AK on AA3, ok to stack off?

04-29-2013 , 01:51 PM
Villain: gambly black guy who is loose. Haven't seen many showdowns but hasn't won or lost many big pots. He bought in for $1k. Left table for 30 min to go play blackjack earlier.
Hero: TAG, hasn't played a pot w villain yet. Villain probably doesn't have a read on hero.

V limps utg. 1 more limper mp, Hero raise $30 otb AcKh.
Bb calls, V calls, mp calls.

Flop AsAh3h.
Bb check V donks $50, mp fold, I raise to $150, bb fold, V calls.
I raise because I think V calls with Ax, maybe even raises, calls with flush draws and mid pocket pairs. If I just call his $50 I don't think I can get future value from worse hands unless they improve to beat me like turned sets or flush draws that get there. V's call on flop makes me think I'm ahead.

Turn off suit 4.
V shoves $800.

Hero???
I don't understand his line if he has A4. I discount 25 from his range. 33 shove doesn't make sense either as he can check raise or lead smaller to induce or get me to call.

Is everyone ok with the flop raise in a multiway pot, and what's the action on turn?
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04-29-2013 , 02:07 PM
Flop raise is fine.

Turn play is totally player dependent. You describe this player as "gambly," so it seems hard to justify a laydown.

It is a strange line he's taking and you could be beat, but he could be doing this with worse.
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04-29-2013 , 02:22 PM
Flop raise is small. It's another $100 into a pot of $320 so he almost has direct odds to peel with a flush draw. Better to go to $250, which also makes the turn easier to play.

As for the turn, I know that IRL I would not be able to pull the trigger on the call but I think the correct play is to do so. A gambly loose player shows up with Ax, pocket pairs, flush draws, total air, etc. often enough to make this a call.
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04-29-2013 , 02:31 PM
I agree, don't think I could fold here I probably snap call . He may put YOU on a FD and since it missed figure you have air, hence the shove.
You say he hasn't made many mistakes IE not lost big pots.. you think he's calling you pre with 25? I doubt it, so the more I think about it he either has AIR or maybe AQ? Maybe Maybe AX suited but you still have outs if board pairs or you hit a K on river etc..
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04-29-2013 , 03:33 PM
V had 33. Weird line. Guess he pwned me??
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04-29-2013 , 03:39 PM
Seems more like a-2 or a-5 to me if he's the gambling type. He figures that his ace is good there so often and if its not he's got a straight draw to suck out on you. If he doesn't have an ace, how about like 5-6 hearts so now he has an open ender and a flush draw and he's simply trying to move you off a weak ace? IMO, you simply beat to much of his betting range to fold.
If he's got it, good for him, pay him off, and reload.
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04-29-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by uscjustallin
V had 33. Weird line. Guess he pwned me??
No more he ran into one of the 2 or 3 hands in your range that you have to pay him off with... just a weird cooler and your gonna loose the stack no matter how it plays.
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04-29-2013 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by uscjustallin
V had 33. Weird line. Guess he pwned me??
OUCH, that's just a cooler IMO so you got it in I take it?
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04-29-2013 , 05:24 PM
Hand was played fine by OP. Villain played his hand really well. Nothing that Hero can do.
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04-29-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
Villain played his hand really well.
I'm not sure I agree with this. I think Villain kind of made a mess of this hand and got lucky. Pre-flop Hero raises two limpers on the button? Hero has a large range of Ax hands here.

Villain's overbet on the turn gives hero a chance to play correctly and fold. Now in this case, Villain was lucky Hero had AK. But what if Hero has AJ or AT? Now Hero has an easy fold.

Villain should have checked the turn, IMO.

Last edited by thenextguy; 04-29-2013 at 07:16 PM.
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04-29-2013 , 07:10 PM
With 33 in the hands of the villain, this is just a cooler.
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04-29-2013 , 07:24 PM
against this player I'd snap call this. FWIW I would range him more toward flush draws or made full houses then worse Ax types due to the turn shove. He either wants a fold or wants you to think he wants a fold imo. I'm calling based on player description more than anything.
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04-29-2013 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thenextguy
I'm not sure I agree with this. I think Villain kind of made a mess of this hand and got lucky. Pre-flop Hero raises two limpers on the button? Hero has a large range of Ax hands here.

Villain's overbet on the turn gives hero a chance to play correctly and fold. Now in this case, Villain was lucky Hero had AK. But what if Hero has AJ or AT? Now Hero has an easy fold.

Villain should have checked the turn, IMO.
Ok, but would hero really raise flop with AT as often as he raises with AK-AQ?
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04-29-2013 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
Ok, but would hero really raise flop with AT as often as he raises with AK-AQ?
Certainly Hero feels more comfortable raising on the flop with AK compared to AT, but a donk bet on this flop doesn't necessarily scream big hand. I think some players would donk this flop with a flush draw or something like a middle pocket pair. Or even a weaker Ace. I'd be comfortable raising this flop with AT. Obviously I'm proceeding with caution, but I'm not shutting down yet.

But this is an interesting discussion. I'm curious what others think of Villain's play.
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04-29-2013 , 08:15 PM
OP, calling is fine. Hard to put villain on better.

I like donking the turn as villain, but no need to shove. I'd rather bet $200, hoping to get raised and 3bet shipping. If hero calls turn, sets up a nice river shove.

This line still gets stacks from AK, and should make more from Ax (as others have stated, hero could hero fold AJ, AT, etc).

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