2/5.

How do you play red QQ-AA here?

V1 ($2500) is a whale. He bet called a huge raise against a nit multi-way with K7dd in 784 two diamonds. I’ve seen him call hands like K5o pre for $100. He bets like super low end bluff catchers instead of checking them back. Does a decent amount of bluffing but haven’t seen him triple.

V2 ($800) is a bad loose passive rec.

V3 (BU covers) is a good 2/5 pro, likely one of the bigger winners in our game. He’s going to be playing lag in this lineup. We have over 150 hours of history. Probably views me on the nittier side of TAG but capable of making moves.

H ($1600) SB. Have been playing a decent amount of hands. V1 already stacked me for $750 with AA vs my QQ on 882-4. I never tabled my hand.

Agro rec straddles UTG.

V1 limps EP, V2 limps, v3 $60 BU, I $225 SB, v1 calls and pro calls.

Flop:9cTc3d.

Pot:$700.

H? I check, v1 $225, v3 calls. Check raise or flat? Or does it depend on which pair we have (EG flat more AA because we need less protection).

Stuff. SPR of 2x I’d just bet/call flop.

Would have gone slightly larger pre like $275.

Yeah, I’m definitely shoving here in your shoes.
I don’t mind the flop x/r if that was your intention and you think V1 is firing often when you check flop.
I would go a bit bigger pre, probably $250-ish, but meh.

Unless you think pro will slowplay value IP here vs whale (I doubt on wet board) then I'm fine with jamming

We can def size up pre. Lotta the higher stakes guys go 5x min OOP. OTF we should lead with our red pairs, especially Queens and Kings as those benefit the most from value/protection. HU vs the pro, I think it's fine to check back all our AA though, but here I feel we miss out on value from the whale if we check this back. I'd fire ~$250 cbet myself, but as played, I'm down with the rai.

OP: what did V2 do postflop?

Think V2 folded pre flop.

V2 folded preflop.

Results aren’t particularly interesting, I check raised and both folded. Thanks for the feedback.

It's damned interesting to me anyway. That's a great move!

Do you mind sharing your thought process? I woulda flatted this board that favored both V's range more, even without the blocking Q. But I don't play this deep and perhaps this is why lol.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

I would.

Don’t like check whatsoever bc you too often lose the whale and wind up in a tricky spot deep vs a complete player who is going to make this hand hard on you when it goes ck ck bet and you continue.

With QQ+ (all of them), you want to capture the whale money now w your higher equity hands vs whale calling range. It’s going to be ok to be somewhat face up to the pro as the whale just forces you to have the strongest parts of your range as a bet and at a large size. AP you got a nice result w the whale betting, but I don’t think that’s a particularly high freq outcomes. If it checks through it’s not good given these dynamics.

Also QQ is not equal to QQ+ here either. That’s a leak if you think pro is going to 5b iso w AA and risk losing the whale. He probably flats btn with everything he would call with at 100% frequency.

The thought process is you have an overpair on a super wet board multi-way with an SPR of 2x.

This hand plays itself whether it’s 1/2 or 50/100. I don’t agree with the x/r (as Amana expanded on) but one way or the other your stack should be finding its way into the middle.

Thanks Johnny!

Btw, would you ever flat Aces here on this flop? What about AcAx?

No never flatting - there’s $1150 in there when it gets back to you. Just go after it.

Most hands posted here fall into three categories:

75% should be folded pre
20% are trivial flop stack offs cuz SPR/equity
5% are semi interesting

This is a really good point.

I also would slowplay a big hand as the other reg/good player in this hand.

I also agree that QQ is very different than KK and especially AA in this spot.

Appreciate the perspective on why x/r is far from optimal here, thx Amanaplan.