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2/5/10: QQ OOP against competent reg 2/5/10: QQ OOP against competent reg

11-02-2016 , 07:32 PM
H: Young Asian reg, TAG image. Known to play bigger, squeeze, hero etc. Been pretty tight since table opened hour and half ago, have opened a couple times in MP/LP and taken it down pre.

V: Young white guy, prob used to play online but is starting to reg this room. Plays 5/10/20 as well. Has been 3bing a bit IP and not getting to showdown. Opened A3cc in MP previously.

Hand: H opens QQ in HJ to 30 (been opening to 35 previously), V quickly makes it 100, I flat. $1k eff.

Flop: J76r.

I check, he leads 110 into 220, I call.

Turn: 6x, check, he bets 220 into 440, I tank call.

River: 8, check, he quickly ships for 470 into 880. H?

Haven't played with V much but think he is capable of tripling AK, maybe AQ here.

What do you think of 4bing pre/sizing? Is there a better way to play post?
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11-02-2016 , 07:46 PM
4! to ~$300/gii pre.

As played, call. Your hand is way under-repped.
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11-02-2016 , 07:56 PM
SPR is less then 5 on the flop and you have a big over pair. Calling it off can't be terrible. If you think he can be 3 barreling AK/AQ then calling it off is obvious but very few live villains are doing that. If villain is adjusting to playing live one thing he should do is tighten up his barreling range against the more stationary live opponents.

The 4 bet sizing is fairly standard, 3 times what you bet rounded off. Who has the 1K here and how does it compare to the rest of the table? The psychology is a bit different if he is putting in 1/10 of his stack, that will often cut down his bluffs to put that much in preflop and he will know he is committed post with a big pair on all but the worst boards. With 2/5/10 having 1K stack isn't really deep.

The improvement I think you need to make here is deciding if your calling river before you get there. You need to make your decision if villain has enough bluffs in his range to call down or not on the flop or turn. Against an unknown I would default to mostly calling flop and mostly folding turn.

I suspect your specific history with this villain and what you have seen each other do matter a lot. You both seem aggressive enough to have bluffs in your ranges preflop and c-bet/float the flop.
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11-02-2016 , 09:54 PM
I don't think V tripple barreling on this runout very often.

If he tripple barrels with AK, and JJ+ here, he is way over bluffing to make all Jx+ bluff catching profitable.

At the river, JJ+, 16 combos. If he tripple barrels AK (16 combos), that would be super easy call given the half pot bet.

I really doubt he is doing that.

AP, I would just cry call.

Against an online reg, I would just 4bet 300 and gii pre with QQ.
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11-03-2016 , 09:53 PM
It's a call. He can have AJ and an occasional bluff here. Not a fist pump by any means though.
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11-03-2016 , 11:44 PM
Those are some pretty tight preflop ranges people are giving to Villain.

Maybe it's the LAGtard in me but nonpassive Villain is 3-betting an HJ open and people aren't considering TT-77 and KJ?
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11-04-2016 , 10:03 AM
With the price we're getting, we only need to be good here 26% of the time to justify a call.

The way you played really under reps your hand. I don't think that villain thinks you have an overpair (he probably puts you on a hand like TT, QJs, maybe AJo at best), so I think that you have to call here with QQ. He could even be thin value betting AJo himself, and he could be turning a hand like 98s into a bluff here.

I expect to lose this pot at least 50% of the time, but I think that we're good here more than 26% of the time, so I'm calling.

Although I do agree with everyone else who says you should 4bet preflop. I disagree with people saying "4bet to $300 then GII" because that's far too big of a 4bet sizing and will discourage him from 5bet jamming as a bluff. Instead, I'd 4bet to something like $230, but still with the intention of stacking off preflop.
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11-04-2016 , 12:11 PM
never folding at any point as played

i think you played it perfectly if hes been 3bing and barreling elsewhere as indicated by your info, i prob just 4b ak, kk+ and bluffs, and only throw qq in there if i've 4b'ed a couple times already and think he might adjust by jamming lighter
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11-04-2016 , 04:04 PM
Might have to fold riv
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11-04-2016 , 04:50 PM
played it fine. throw in a chip
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11-04-2016 , 08:40 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I feel like this is a bit of a non-standard spot with reg-on-reg BTN vs HJ dynamics and the smaller opening size possibly inducing a wider 3b and barreling. Seems to me like it might be optimal to flat QQ+ a lot here to protect our OOP 3b flatting range/let him value own himself/bluff catch whilst 4bing AK/AQ mostly as a semibluff/protection with blockers.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Although I do agree with everyone else who says you should 4bet preflop. I disagree with people saying "4bet to $300 then GII" because that's far too big of a 4bet sizing and will discourage him from 5bet jamming as a bluff. Instead, I'd 4bet to something like $230, but still with the intention of stacking off preflop.
I agree with this.

Results:
Spoiler:
I ended up calling and he had AQo.

Last edited by ylac; 11-04-2016 at 08:49 PM.
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