2/5 1500 hard cap. But game has basically been on auto straddle, so 2/5/10

600 effective


Villain: no real info. I believe he had somewhere around 1k a few hands before, lost some and has just been playing $600

Hero: no history with villain


Folds around

Villian: limps on BTN for $10
BB: completes $10

Hero: UTG straddle for $10. Raises to $50 with KsJs

Villian: calls

BB: folds

Pot: $110

Flop: Q J 4r

Hero: Bets $35

Villian: raises to $100


Hero: ???


I honestly have no clue what range to give this guy limping on BTN. Since he's playing short, I think it's safe to assume fish. But even then......

QQ, JJ 44, QJ, Q4s, J4s, AQ.....etc....should be raising on BTN. But so should KT and T9. Even the most basic fish raises most or all of these on BTN here I'd think.


This is so far and away from theory......what would you LLSNL guys look to construct his range here???


Spoiler below isn't hand results.

I'm a nit facing raises so maybe this is too tight but I'd put his range as definitely containing QJ K10 109 44, maybe Q10,Q9 and perhaps gut shots like A10, K9, 108ss type hands?

yes, you'd expect most to raise button with double broadway hands but man, nothing surprises me at 2/5. I would take QQ and JJ as well as KK and AA out of his range but only them.

Ehh, truly readless I fold turn, and probably flop fold is good too. Live recs are more often very nitty than spewy when it comes to raising. The fact that he openlimped BTN makes me think he is more likely to be on the passive side too.

That being said you should have an idea about a recs tendencies having seen him lose some hands in the past. You don't have to soulread him, but you could have an idea if he's capable of bluffing, or having Q4o after the preflop play.

Readless it's obviously impossible to range the guy, on one end of the spectrum there is the type that has K5o drawing dead, he saw your 1/3 cbet and thought that's never a good hand/is just tilted and wants to finally win a pot to break even. The other end is a guy who has 44 or top2 100% and you have to be able to guess somewhat effectively which guy he is.

Don't really need a range here. There's no real draws other than KT. Against an unknown with an SPR of 5 when I have no clue what he could have, I'd just let it go on the flop with second pair.

Funny, if I had to pick the two most likely hands in my opinion, I would have gone with T9 and 44.

Haven't read the spoiler. Have we seen villain raise pre or is this the first time he's the first one to enter a pot?

The limp/call followed by a flop raise is a very weird line. Seeing a single hand go to showdown might already be enough to know what to do next time but without any info my best guess would be random Qx hands and draws and the way too obvious 44. In game I probably call flop and fold to his turn bet. Looking at the hand now I lean towards letting it go on the flop.

This seems like a snap fold on the flop to me. When in doubt, I can let this go simply because if I need to take a stand I have stronger hands in my range to do this with. We have all the big pocket pairs including two sets, and we have AQ and probably also QJ (at least QJs). There shouldn’t be a need to call as wide as second pair.

I’m not sure why you are ruling out 44.

Hard to assign an accurate range w/o some knowledge of the player. All we know is that he’s limped BTN which typically means he’s on the passive side, probably loose-passive. We can assign weaker offsuit broadways, weak offsuit Ax, small pocket pairs and connected/suited hands in his preflop range. I am pretty sure QJo/Q4s/44 are all well within the limp-call range for a loose-passive player.

On flop, some players will interpret the small cbet as weak and raise a hand like QT/Q9/or worse (including offsuit combos). He could also have 44, as well as QJ/Q4s/J4s. Maybe even Q4o/J4o if he’s very loose. Finally he can have straight draws like KT/T9. I don’t think it’s too likely that he is bluffing with complete air.

Given the above, I think the flop call is pretty marginal, probably losing, since we do run into a fair number of combos of Qx.

AP the turn overbet jam is very polarizing and I am doubtful if he has QT or worse after that action. Once he polarizes on turn I think it is a much closer spot, since he should only be repping 44 and two pair (QJ,Q4s,J4s) for value.

So, I’d say we should have folded the flop. But AP I could go either way on the turn, and paradoxically, I’m happier to see the overbet jam than to face a smaller bet.

Thanks for all responses.


Results:

The flop call wasn't good IMO. Just no need to get into weird spots in LLSNL with no real info. Looking back, I'm not sure if there wasn't much info to be had on him, or if I wasn't paying attention close enough. Both are possible.

On turn......I couldn't figure out wtf limped on BTN besides 44 that would be going nuts here. And even then, he's IP....I'd expect a flop call and then turn raise or bet. Even with 2p hands.


I tanked for probably 45sec trying to make sense of a puzzle that's likely impossible to make sense of. I assumed that if he limped on BTN with many of the value hands on this runout....that he should likely be able to do this with KT and T9. Which would make calling off here close to even money.

Now, that could easily just be a way to justify calling because I was extremely curious WTF this could action be.


Hero calls. River bricks. V shows AsQs.


Hero's brain explodes.



After that hand, I was able to see many more hands with showdowns with this V. Turns out, he's extremely passive preflop and then aggressive post flop. I haven't had to deal with this type of V for quite a while. Even some of the most passive tend to open hands like AQ when on the BTN.

Made a note as I'm sure I'll run into him again in future trips to this establishment.