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2/5/10 interesting turn spot in 3bet pot, OESFD 2/5/10 interesting turn spot in 3bet pot, OESFD

04-01-2016 , 04:20 AM
Villain in the hand is a young spanish pro. From what Ive seen so far from here he seems solid. Overall he has played a TAG style, not doing anything crazy. We have been at the table for a couple of hours now and I think he sees me the same way. This is the first time I see him in this casino though and he is probbly just visiting. He had another friend at the table with the same profile and they came together.

The game is 6-handed with a straddle. Effective stacks are 1,700

Preflop (12)

Villain opens 35 UTG, I 3-bet 97 in MP. He calls
The last couple of orbits he has been opening up his opens. The two players behind me in the hand are fit or fold players and with position I think this is a good spot to 3bet. Generally in live poker I like to 3bet a linear range with hands that do well postflop as villains really dont like to fold once they opened. Any comments on the 3bet and hand choice is welcome though.

Flop 262 642

Villain checks, Hero bets 75, Villain calls.
On such a dry flop, I like to bet small as I will be betting the same with most of my value range.Once again, comments are welcome on this street, checkback flop?bet more?

Turn 412 8

Villain checks, Hero bets 275, Villain now raises 575.
At this point, we are getting direct odds to call and try to bink river. However, is there any merit to jamming over his raise?
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04-01-2016 , 09:09 AM
Pre is good.

I dislike your flop sizing both as a standard sizing and especially with your actual holdings. It gives you pretty much no fold equity and you shouldn't be peeling a c/r so weak. Would you want to make it this small with AA? Probably not. You would probably want to set up sizings to stack worse overpairs by the river.

If you think villain isn't 'doing anything crazy,' like peeling the flop with QTdd and raising turn, then you probably don't have too much fold equity on the turn. Call.
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04-01-2016 , 09:42 AM
As muffin said, pre is fine but flop bet needs to be much larger. I understand you want to keep your bluffs cheap but you just induce so much with this sizing which isn't an issue when we have a premium but in this actual scenario we just want to take the pot down as quick as possible. As for turn we don't have much food equity if any at all, Tank call as if you had an overpair and if he checks river on a brick we may be able to shove.
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04-01-2016 , 09:49 AM
I like pre but did you 3bet to $125? Too big

I like 50-60% of pot better on flop. We will still get called a lot, but this hand is good for our bluff range because of the great double barrel board texture. I prob check back AKo/AQo and our worst pocket pairs (TT/JJ)

I would just take the direct odds because most of his semibluffs that call a jam are in much better shape than us, and because he is at a range advantage on this board texture compared to our overpair-heavy range so I don't think he is folding much.
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04-01-2016 , 06:05 PM
This is an insanely easy flat.
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04-01-2016 , 08:09 PM
agree w/ the consensus

pre is fine and i think $125 is fine

i like a much larger flop bet, probably 175 or so with my entire range here.

turn sizing is fine. i'm calling raise and prob happy check folding river unimproved
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04-02-2016 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Pre is good.

I dislike your flop sizing both as a standard sizing and especially with your actual holdings. It gives you pretty much no fold equity and you shouldn't be peeling a c/r so weak. Would you want to make it this small with AA? Probably not. You would probably want to set up sizings to stack worse overpairs by the river.

If you think villain isn't 'doing anything crazy,' like peeling the flop with QTdd and raising turn, then you probably don't have too much fold equity on the turn. Call.
Would you bet something like £150 on the flop, and then on the turn (£562) Something like £300? Or is there any case on this turn that you check back ? I do agree that I messed up the flop sizing.

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Originally Posted by HH2010
I like pre but did you 3bet to $125? Too big

I like 50-60% of pot better on flop. We will still get called a lot, but this hand is good for our bluff range because of the great double barrel board texture. I prob check back AKo/AQo and our worst pocket pairs (TT/JJ)

I would just take the direct odds because most of his semibluffs that call a jam are in much better shape than us, and because he is at a range advantage on this board texture compared to our overpair-heavy range so I don't think he is folding much.
He did make it £35 so £125 is a little bit over 3x. I agree with the flop sizing I did mess it up.

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Originally Posted by DGAF
This is an insanely easy flat.
I did flat in game, just wanted to make sure shoving wasnt more +ev

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Originally Posted by diskoteque
agree w/ the consensus

pre is fine and i think $125 is fine

i like a much larger flop bet, probably 175 or so with my entire range here.

turn sizing is fine. i'm calling raise and prob happy check folding river unimproved
Right I agree, however on the river we have position so he is first to act.
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04-04-2016 , 08:50 AM
Trivial flat. Ripping it in gets you snapped by the infinite set combos that will pretty much always be getting stacked if you hit river anyways.
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04-04-2016 , 09:00 AM
You don't think he could also be doing this with 65, 54, and 76? Given our flop sizing he may also have a few combos of Axss (maybe he has 87 too though much less likely)

But yeah, he does credibly rep many 2pairs/sets and 75s.

Flat. He can't ever check river with his value hands knowing you're checking behind at a very high frequency, so have to jam river if checked to as to not let his semi-bluffs get to showdown.

If he does still jam river with his semi-bluffs when it bricks out that's just unfortunate for us, but not good enough of a reason for us to jam the turn
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04-04-2016 , 09:11 AM
Call. 3-bet is too small. I don't hate shoving, but I prefer a call.
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04-05-2016 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by day'n'night
Would you bet something like £150 on the flop, and then on the turn (£562) Something like £300? Or is there any case on this turn that you check back ? I do agree that I messed up the flop sizing.



He did make it £35 so £125 is a little bit over 3x. I agree with the flop sizing I did mess it up.



I did flat in game, just wanted to make sure shoving wasnt more +ev



Right I agree, however on the river we have position so he is first to act.
Yeah, sorry my post was douchey. I was bored and stuck in traffic and mad tilt...

You rep overpair really hard up to this point. Call and fold unimproved or shove if he checks. IMO.
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