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2/5/10: bluff catching spot with A high? 2/5/10: bluff catching spot with A high?

11-13-2016 , 09:40 AM
Eff 600-700

V: a young guy who seems to be a TAGish player. The only showdown from him was he raised to 60 from SB after three limpers of straddle. And got stacked off by middle set on a A87 flop.

Hero: has been playing tag so far. V should perceive hero as solid TAG.



Eff 700

UTG straddle.
V limps UTG+2, a loose passive fish limps MP

Hero raise to 65 with AQdd on the button. Both calls.

Flop TT6dxx 210

Both checks, hero bets 80

V calls, fish folds

Turn Kc. 370
V checks, hero bets 200, V calls

River Ks 770
V Shoves for 380, hero?

On the turn, K is really a good bluff card for me as his flop check call range has many small PP. I picked extra equity.

His river shove only reps Kx, what Kx he has?
Exactly one combo of KTs? Or he floats oop with K high?

Or he turn his pp into bluff after he got counterfeited? Or hands like 78s, 89s?




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11-13-2016 , 01:30 PM
I wouldn't discount TX,JJ or 66 on this board. On this board villain knows your not folding better but with a half pot bet left he is never folding and he can get called by worse. So moving him himself is the best option.

He can also be shoving an AX hand hoping to get you off a chop, those are heavily discounted though after the limp/call in EP and this run out. If villain does have KX it's probably AKs/KQs that floated your flop bet. He could also be bluffing with a counterfieted pair or a missed draw but there are not a lot of draws he could be on and the pairs are likely to give up flop or turn.

This sort of run out is where reading your opponent really shines. This could be anything from an easy call to an easy fold depending on how bluffy your villain is and what gets to the river.
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11-13-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
I wouldn't discount TX,JJ or 66 on this board. On this board villain knows your not folding better but with a half pot bet left he is never folding and he can get called by worse. So moving him himself is the best option.



He can also be shoving an AX hand hoping to get you off a chop, those are heavily discounted though after the limp/call in EP and this run out. If villain does have KX it's probably AKs/KQs that floated your flop bet. He could also be bluffing with a counterfieted pair or a missed draw but there are not a lot of draws he could be on and the pairs are likely to give up flop or turn.



This sort of run out is where reading your opponent really shines. This could be anything from an easy call to an easy fold depending on how bluffy your villain is and what gets to the river.

He limped call EP pre. He never has JJ or AK, KQ


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11-13-2016 , 01:37 PM
id snap this

we're good here way more than 25%
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11-13-2016 , 03:01 PM
The thing is when you bluff K ott you are targeting small pps and hope they fold. And bluffcatching Ahigh you again targeting most low pps, hoping they called turn.
I would just check back flop IMO it is better than bluff into 2 players.

Otr your range is uncapped, you have something like 99+, Tx, Kx plus bluffs. Why do you want to bluffcatch low part of your range?
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11-13-2016 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
The thing is when you bluff K ott you are targeting small pps and hope they fold. And bluffcatching Ahigh you again targeting most low pps, hoping they called turn.

I would just check back flop IMO it is better than bluff into 2 players.



Otr your range is uncapped, you have something like 99+, Tx, Kx plus bluffs. Why do you want to bluffcatch low part of your range?

That's what I was confused on his line. Check call, check call and donk river on this run out.

Hero certainly has some Kx, Tx to bluff catch river.
What if hero has AA here?


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11-13-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
The thing is when you bluff K ott you are targeting small pps and hope they fold. And bluffcatching Ahigh you again targeting most low pps, hoping they called turn.
I would just check back flop IMO it is better than bluff into 2 players.

Otr your range is uncapped, you have something like 99+, Tx, Kx plus bluffs. Why do you want to bluffcatch low part of your range?
I agree with most of this and vs a solid reg this would be a fold because we'd have better hands to bluffcatch with here, but vs someone without history they just have to be so bluff weighted here that it's probably OK for us to be calling here with pretty much our entire range except for JQ and be printing money IMO.

If V is boated, it makes much more sense for him to check and let us barrel. He might be misplaying and shoving river with a boat himself (I imagine he often is), but I think this is going to be a counterfeited PP more often than not.
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11-13-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shamway99
The thing is when you bluff K ott you are targeting small pps and hope they fold. And bluffcatching Ahigh you again targeting most low pps, hoping they called turn.

I would just check back flop IMO it is better than bluff into 2 players.



Otr your range is uncapped, you have something like 99+, Tx, Kx plus bluffs. Why do you want to bluffcatch low part of your range?

Hero has best hand very often on that flop. I just want deny their equity for free.

With BDFD, BDSD and two over, I still feel good about flop Cbet.


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11-13-2016 , 04:53 PM
Pretty sure he's got us owned in this spot with Kx. The only potential bluff's we would ever beat are SDV hand's that decided to bluff, an important thing would be how often does he fold and his WSD.

Anyways i don't think many villain's float the flop OOP even more so with 1 fishy villain left to act behind, maybe size up your flop bet next time.

I think this may look like a "potential" hero-call but in reality don't lose your mind over a weird line that villain is taking where he prolly has no bluffing range.

Also it's not like we are going to be folding this river 100% like ever, coz when we have AK, KQ, or KJ we can snap and chop or beat like a miracle lol bluff very rarely.
^Peace of mind.
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11-13-2016 , 06:47 PM
Sure looks like a counterfeited PP
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11-13-2016 , 07:37 PM
Dont think v is floating flop light with something like kq with a player behind. His range has a lot of middling pocket pairs imo, some 98s 87s, 76s, 10x. You also block ak that gets here somehow. Seems like a snap call getting this price.

Only real thought is if he's jamming 10x for value afraid you're going to check back something like queens
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