Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $74.00
SB: $440.00
BB: $1542.20
UTG: $299.65
UTG+1: $434.95
UTG+2: $139.95
MP1: $294.60
Hero (MP2): $486.00
CO: $437.50

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with J J
UTG raises to $12, 2 folds, MP1 calls $12, Hero calls $12, 3 folds, BB calls $8

Flop: ($50.00) Q T 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $20, MP1 folds, Hero calls $20, BB folds

Turn: ($90.00) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $20


He's unknown and I'm not using a HUD.

i think i would be inclined to just call here and call most rivers

I think you only fold out hands that you beat here, especially considering villain is not full stacked and is less likely to be thinking past the first level

I'm thinking that his bet looks like he's blocking to get to showdown or something and that he will give it up if I make him put in a lot more money.

But then there's also the fact that I might have the best hand anyway. I think he'd need some sort of a ten though for that to be the case, but since he raised utg he could have KK or AA as well.

He could also be trying to price himself in with KJ or J9 though too. Not as likely though given that I have two jacks and he raised utg.

call and re-eval on river.

i do not like turning this hand into a bluff in this spot. KK looks very likely, but you still have loads of showdown value.

call, if he makes antoher gay bet on the river raise him 4 value

Raise the turn and then chk river back. basically what will happen is that....

hell let go of any garbage he had on the turn when you raise.

Hell call with any draw or any draw he picked up, and of course hell probaby call with aa etc,

hell probably chk the river to you if you raise the turn. raising turn adds value cause it gets draws to call when behind, AND if it causes villian to chk the river


well then it also gains value by making him miss a profitable river bet when behind(which is great according to the fundamental theorum of poker =).

Calling the turn is best when.....

You have a profitable read on villian. So calling the turn is ok if you know how to approach river.

But if you are planing on commiting to call a river bet, i think that money you use for a river call could be used for a turn raise instead -against alot of standard villians, its really hard to put unknowns on bluffs, however it not hard to realize that a loose range(I assume you think villian could be bluffins so we say hes got a loose range) will contain draws and other bs in it, which you dont need a read to react to what so ever. U just need to ballz to know that youll be wrong sometimes =p

i would raise to like 50

what if villain shoves over the top to our raise to 50-55?

then we fold...?

any raise size on the turn will be a raise/fold. as soah elequently put it =)

I'm with oldschool on this one.

Not crazy about raising the turn big and shoving the river just because I think people don't fold often enough with overpairs when their blocking bets get raised. I know I don't.

I called and he bet $20 again on the river.

I felt like I had lost my opportunity to move him off of a better pair at this point so I just called again...?

I would just call down and be happy about the odds he is giving you....you see some smaller pocket pair, or some random wierd bluff more then enough of the time to auto call the river....

I would def be raising with air on the turn because it puts a lot of pressure on him and id doesnt look like he has a Q, but you have enough showdown value to make calling better i think....

i like call call i dont think he folds a better hand like ever

wow, full ring is bizzarre...

i would raise turn for value, not as a bluff, that would be ******ed...

check behind pretty much any river if called, fold if reraised. he will call with draws and probably cost yourself the same amount against KK/AA than if he donked river again

i see someone already wrote that but i think it's obv the best line

So what actually happend?

IMHO. You have no read on this guy and he would give you loads of information if you can see a cheap showdown. I say call him down to the river if the price is right and figure this guy out ASAP!

he had KK

Thats good, now you can exploit him in the future. That's if he is willing to fold an over pair.

lol ppl don't fold overpairs when they bet that small, at least not to one raise. That guy waited an hour to pick up KK, he's not planning on folding it.

Turn 22 into a bluff on this turn, NOT jj

Turning a hand like this into a bluff against an unknown utg opener is bleeding money.

It's totally player dependent.

LOl in extreme situations yes, but like never. plz dont post here if you dont beat midstakes =)