This is a very loose underground game, where all straddles are live.

I have quite a bit of history with villains. They are complete opposites.

V1 is value. He basically loves to call. Loves to call pre with anything connected, seems to have no clue of pot odds. One pair is generally good for calling the flop, top pair is good for stacks.

V2 is super tight. He is a winning player in this game because of how ridiculously loose it is. It continues to hurt seeing villains pay this guy off when he always has sets and overpairs. He's incredibly predictable for anybody with ABC hand reading skills.

Hero SB (490$), V1 UTG+1 (600$), V2 Button (900$)

UTG straddles to 8, V1 super straddles to 16. He's been doing that. 1 call in MP, V2 calls. I find AKo in the SB, make it 135

V1 peels his cards, declares this is definitely a calling hand and calls. Super wide range IMO, suited connectors, 2 broadways, all pairs except JJ+.

V2 is in pain, dwells for a while and calls declaring that he doesn't usually make that call etc. I'm pretty confident this is not a reverse speech. He would have open raised a monster anyways. Small PP and suited broadway IMO.

(isn't it great when they tell you?)

435$ in the pot, I have 355$ behind

Flop is Q54

I check, thinking that V1 is going to call every Q and just planning to fold to any decent bet.

Checks around. Now my hand value goes way up. I know V1 doesn't have a Q and V2 doesn't have a set.

Turn is J, bringing 2 clubs on board.

WWYD?

There is simply no way villain 2 is "super tight". Super tight players, by definition, never do this. So lets get a better picture description of him. Start by trying to construct a button limping range for him.

We're out of position against a loose caller and a player who a) plays ABC and b) almost certainly has a pair of some sort (suited broadway has hit and PP already had one) in a very bloated pot. Just check and look for a free river if possible.

grunch

why such a big pfr? i think i make it 95, then the pot going to the flop is ~300 you with around 400 left. This way you could b/f 200 otf and save yourself monies.

as played, depending on players I'd probably just jam. Even if one of the villains has Qx anything other than AQ is going to have a tough time calling. If we make it 200 and someone shoves we have to call anyway so id rather just jam it right here. spew?

since you checked the flops I feel like your opponents are never going to give you credit for an overpair or AQ+... even though its the optimal line here with that. so just check and pray for checks and a ten OTR.

As played check turn,

Ok V2's play is maybe not super tight. He's just relatively way tighter than the other players. I think he called pre because he knows the fish is defending his straddle very light and that he thinks he stacks him for a big pot in position. I don't think it 's that bad either, even though his odds aren't there. Say he flops huge, I c-bet most times, fish flats a lot, yum-yum for him. I gave him a preflop range by the way: pocket pairs 22-TT & suited broadways.

I bet big pre to isolate fish. I didn't think that V2 or MP would call, and if they did I wanted to give them bad odds. This would have created a 300$ pot with 355$ behind. I think he calls a flop shove with top pair worse kicker than mine every day.

I'm very confident V1 would have bet a Q on the flop, + reads tell me he did not hit this board. V2 could have a set of course, but most likely doesn't. Why not shove turn to get rid of V1's Jx hands and V2's pocket pairs?

Plans for river if turn checked around?

Yeah check. I make it less pre, maybe 68-75. If the tightish player is as predictable as you claim it should be really easy to play him, especially with the nutty guy in nthe pot. We know we are gettign called by the crazy guy most of the time and obv we have the best ahnd but oop it is pretty hard to know this if we miss so we don't want to make thje pot too big and then we can continuation bet the flop smaller for a third of pot.

Thinking about it I may just complete preflop. Does the super straddler like to bump it up when it is on him? I've been finding that ak in the blinds vs stations plays really hideously. Anyone else like the option of just calling. Like if we are just check/giving up when we brick like this then what is the point of raiisng when we could just see a flop or let one of the straddlers bomb it up and then ship[ the lot in.

Why shove to get rid of them? You can do it just as easily on the river, if you feel the need to. You'll have a better idea of where you are. You'll see a free card, etc. Also, do we think V1 folds Jx to a less than pot-sized shove on the turn?

If river makes your hand bet an amount that gets called. Otherwise check. Vs rich nutty guy bettign is kinda bad as it sounds like he will curiosity call a lot and he can have a lot of jacks in his range. Furthermore there is a slight chance we have the best hand already.

Does the so called tight player have the ability to call light in spots where you are repping not much cause if you jam this turn or a brick river you are really not repping much other than a set of queens or jacks on the turn and bugger all on the river.

I think they might see a turn shove as stronger than a river shove. i.e: V1 may fold a Jx here but call it on the river. Plus I get my money in with some equity if A & K are live, as opposed to A high on a river brick.

I don't think V2 has the ability to call light in any spots.

Because they will put you on AK.

Sorry I missed the ranging in OP. As long as your version on super tight means he is folding all non sets to you hear i shove the flop.

We are playing maniacs though who will pay us off when we have a big hand so I am not sure why we would want to get ourselves in this spot.

U raised 135 into 56 dollar pot with ako. Knowing by ur def super tight is in the hand.
B4 asking about post flop semi bluff. You need to rethink about ur pre flop play.
No excuse in the world will make this play right.

Super straddle = re-straddle?

I'm shoving the flop with their ranges in mind, way too much FE, ahead too often, and have some outs when called and can even be ahead of some draws, but this all goes to **** OTT where I'm checking.