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07-24-2008 , 11:17 PM
Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BB: $807.80
UTG: $800.00
UTG+1: $625.20
MP1: $200.00
MP2: $1956.00
CO: $801.30
Hero (BTN): $1243.65
SB: $770.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $14, MP2 calls $14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $58, 1 fold, BB calls $54, 1 fold, MP2 calls $44

Flop: ($190.00) Q 8 6 (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks

BB is 49/15 over 400+ hands. no notes on him otherwise buts thats filtered. CO is 16/13 tag like.

Checking seems to be the best play, as even the bad player can prob dump JJ here. i lose value to AQ but save myself from a gigantic pot with one pair.

otoh if i get check raised by the clown i am in a real crappy spot.

thoughts?
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07-25-2008 , 12:12 AM
BET
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07-25-2008 , 12:36 AM
looks like a safe enough flop to check. but a bit hairy with 2players in the pot. Prolly do a half bet or something.
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07-25-2008 , 12:53 AM
betbetbetbetbetbet

Giving a free card in a huge 4-way pot is terrible poker.

The pot is so big that we shouldn't try to get away (except from MP2 if he wants to play for stacks), especially since the BB is a fish.

If you check, you're gonna hate yourself when someone's random pocket pair hits a set on the turn.
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07-25-2008 , 01:05 AM
suppose i bet and the fish c/r's POT. at that point are you convincing yourself he has AQ?

btw SABR its 3way fwiw.
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07-25-2008 , 01:18 AM
if the fish has you beat he can just go POT POT after you check which is basically for all your money. You can't put 15bb in pf and expect that bad things won't happen postflop if your hand is no good.

It's pretty likely they have 4-5 outs against you and the pot is huge already so giving a free card is not very attractive and will not necessarily help you get paid because they have to worry about each other even if you appear to be giving up.

After coldcalling 14bb pf the fish is going to look for every reason possible not to dump a pair on the flop, and the fact that he can beat AK could be enough for that (might be enough for the solid player too).
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07-25-2008 , 01:36 AM
ok, well i felt like a chump after i got stacked by BB's c/r but then got to wondering that perhaps it was just how it had to be.

my thought pattern was similar to everyone elses....pot is bog, one awful player and i have a strong overpair...gotta bet....then the results occurred and i just wondered if i had made a mistake and immediately started convincing myself i had which is standard for me, i can abuse myself about my play w the best of em.

i bet like $150 he c/r pot, TAG folded and i just winced and called. he had AA.

ty for feedback
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07-25-2008 , 01:55 AM
Oops, thought it was 4-way instead of 3-way.

Doesn't change things too much I still bet/call vs the fish.
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07-25-2008 , 04:20 AM
After seeing the result, still think betting is the way to go, especially 3 way. Headsup, maybe a check but betting the flop is a better choice imo.
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07-25-2008 , 04:25 AM
"BB is 49/15 over 400+ hands."

I love seeing the hands that would never be posted if the hero didn't run into a cooler.
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07-25-2008 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by GoMukYaSelf
"BB is 49/15 over 400+ hands."

I love seeing the hands that would never be posted if the hero didn't run into a cooler.
lol, good point i suppose.
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07-25-2008 , 09:11 AM
Yeah, nh. B/c vs the fish, b/f vs the TAG. Easy poker
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07-25-2008 , 09:31 AM
After seeing the results i guess i can easily say this but did anyone notice BB just flatted here? Wouldn't that set some alarms off on his own. Not sure if he was doing this alot though.
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07-25-2008 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TWlNUNO
After seeing the results i guess i can easily say this but did anyone notice BB just flatted here? Wouldn't that set some alarms off on his own. Not sure if he was doing this alot though.
Usually this would be setting off alarms but villain is seeing 50% of flops so you have to seriously discount that since the fish's understanding of implied odds, positional play, hand ranges, etc. is relatively non-existent. Also, they are raising 15% of hands which implies that they would be less likely to flat call a large hand preflop in most situations.
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07-25-2008 , 06:01 PM
esiest flop-bet ever, how did the action go on?
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