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06-20-2011 , 05:49 AM
First of all this isnt a brag post, im preety sure i misplayed the hand on early streets
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but i ended up getting the pot with a AI bluff OTR
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What im really looking for is some maths or stoves on my play and thought about how much + or - EV was it.All opinions or even flames are welcomed.

Hero has tag image and lost a big pot last night vs V1 with middle set vs a floped straight in a 3 bet pot .Bought in for 500 and he is down after getting sucked out in a big pot.
V1 is loose passive with a straightforward strategy around 30s bought in for 500 and he is down a bit.
V2 is a fish around 60s regular shortstacker that already rebuyed 3 times after getting stacked with random hands.
FR game 10 players
Hero is button and dealt J8 ~350 stack
V1 is BB ~400 stack
V2 is UTG+2 ~250 stack

UTG+1,UTG+2 , MP1, MP2 , HJ and BTN calls 3 Folds(SB also) BB checks.
At this point i probably should have raised and attack the limpers but my hand looked marginal to me so i just limped as well.

Flop(pot:30) A1010
V1 overbets 40 V2 calls
Hero??
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At this pot my pot odds on calling might be terrible but i think i can stack any 10 which is a major part of V1 and V2 range or even maybe get some value from a Ax type of hand.
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06-20-2011 , 06:04 AM
You're being overbet into by a loose-passive player. Best case, you're up against an ace. We can call only if we're certain he's going to give us his stack when we make our flush. That's unlikely; bad players are terrified of losing to flushes. He probably stacks off to our flush with a ten here, but not with an ace.
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06-20-2011 , 06:08 AM
I'll flat here and keep my range wide, doesn't make whole lot of sense to raise just yet.

But ya, I agree with Zeth, this spot is pretty much burning money. V1 probably knows better than donk betting into 6 players with just an ace.

Fold > flat > raise.
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06-20-2011 , 09:42 AM
Option 1: Raise and try to get a free card on the turn

Option 2: Flat

Obviously im not folding although i might have been the wisest choise at this points.

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OPT1:Imo raising here would have been spewy.Limping in the btn doesnt give me any credit for a 10 with a high kicker and i dont even mention a AT, probably raising here would have ended in me getting blownd off my hand
OPT2:Flatting here is good, i could have any Ax,FD or more unlikely a QJ or a T with a terrible kicker.The best thing is im keeping the terrible player in the pot who is probably gonna stack off even with and Ax hand if he calls one more bet.
Conclusion is i put V1 on a T and V2 either on a Ax hand or a FD maybe even a T(kinda unlikely though cause im sure he would have probably jamed from what ive seen so far)
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