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Originally Posted by timmay28
so, do i have this right? simple breakdown on the merits of betting vs checking turn, if i'm missing something please fill it in -
arguments for betting:
* maintain impetus
* grab thinnish value from primarily KQ-KJ, occasionally stubborn AT, KT, AJ, Q9s
* not allow free cards (albiet not many river cards should be "scary" to us)
arguments for checking:
* high probability of value-owning ourselves by betting, checking can pot control with a mediocre hand
* adds overall deception to our image
* we allow the possibility to confidently go for two streets of value if villain checks behind and river bricks off - the b/c/b line is obv called lighter than b/b/b
* allows villain to semibluff or valueown himself with hands that may fold to a barrel
* to a smaller extent (and this is a minor consideration in most 2/4 games), checking turn with TPTK might help in a GTO sense later on if this hand is showndown; anyone paying attention will be less inclined to float our future cbets with air then bet OTT when we check
OP's description of villain is kinda off in that he says villain calls many raises pre, but is TAG. if in actuality villain is anywhere close to TAG i think check/evaluating is often >> barreling turn all things considered
obv this can change over time if hero & villain play often enough together and hero develops more concrete reads
Nice post. I would check turn here often. (Not with a J though). And Check raise alot of turns here. J just helps his range so much. But it is a card where alot of tag won't raise 2 pair here because AK got there.
So I prefer to bet small (I rarely do this, maybe 1 a month). We get him to fold his garbage and realize our equity.
Against what most people on this site. OOP I like to check/call alot of turns. Mostly with Top Pair hands. As you pointed out. It stops them from auto betting everyhand.
I would probably check call any K or 9. Bet an Ace. Check raise Q. Raise or check call every other card. (A good percentage of time). For those that are gonna cry foul. We don't have same plan vs fish and calling stations or nits.
If we are getting floated on flop alot. 100 BB deep I am gonna check shove my TPTK alot. Even at 1/2 you need to balance vs Tags.
Any how. Like your post. Just won't fly well on a site that loves to bet/betbet