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03-09-2024 , 11:55 AM
We check turn bc villain is aggro maniac and let him bluff off. Check river for same reason. Never folding.
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03-09-2024 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
We check turn bc villain is aggro maniac and let him bluff off. Check river for same reason. Never folding.
After check/raising the flop? I'd still bet for exactly the reason that he might check behind, as he should unless he has us dominated.
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03-09-2024 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
So, you hit a great card on the turn after check/raising the flop and you check? Not sure I understand that. River I can go either check/call or bet/call, but the 7 kind of sucks for us and/or for him, so check/call.
We were bluffing with the x/r on the flop, against a V with a wide/weak 3B'ing range pre. We were hoping to fold out all his Jx and Tx with better kickers, so that if we made a pair we wouldn't be dominated.

When we turn top pair, weak kicker, what we have is a decent bluff catcher. Turning a good bluff catcher into a bluff by continuing to bet is generally a mistake. What we should do is check, to feign weakness, and let him bluff at it.

When we x/r'd flop, we were repping sets or big over-pairs. We probably wouldn't check turn with those hands, but if we did, I'd expect V to check back at least some of the time. Those sets boated up or became quads on the river.

We wouldn't check again with those hands, so when we check again, he'll likely bet here a lot, both with worse value, and total air-ball bluffs.
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03-09-2024 , 01:26 PM
bet 10% / call it off i think

find some of the advice in here wild tbh. to open fold or open limp jtss because you will be facing a 100% 3betting range

Last edited by submersible; 03-09-2024 at 01:33 PM.
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03-09-2024 , 01:35 PM
Def bet turn

As played check/call river any amount

For preflop should we have a limping strategy with this guy behind us?
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03-09-2024 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Disclaimer: villain is a WHALE.

He has announced “I am going to bully you”

He has 3bet me every single time I open.

He announced “dealer, every time he opens I make it 30, you can bind me to that” and he has kept his word.

He has a WIDE WEAK RANGE.

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Hero ep JhTh open 10.
Mp whale 30.
Sb fish Cold calls
Hero calls
3 ways
(93) flop 7h4d2s
X x whale bets 35. Sb f. Hero XR 90. Whale snap calls.
(270) turn Jd
Hero?
This whole hand is a disaster.

First off - if you're gonna get 3b every hand you need to fold more or raise smaller. We also need to be 4b a lot of Ax combos.

Raising 3.3x bb is really bad if you know he's gonna 3b you with out a premium - so raise 2bb or limp if you wanna play the hand. Ideally you want to keep the pot as small as possible with drawing hands pre-flop.

So we miss the flop, should be an easy fold, but you XR to 90 which makes no sense. I could see doing this with a hand like A2s or K7s but with JTs vs a maniac, you are just torching money. It's likely J high isn't even good, and you have no idea if he will even fold A high.

Turn - sweet we got incredibly lucky. Obviously can't check now. So we set up a turn bet to get the money in on river. We don't have 100% equity, so why give him a free card? Even if he has an over he has 7% equity. Might as well make him pay.

Last edited by djevans; 03-09-2024 at 01:41 PM.
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03-09-2024 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by submersible
bet 10% / call it off i think

find some of the advice in here wild tbh. to open fold or open limp jtss because you will be facing a 100% 3betting range
I absolutely open limp with this hand, especially since we know nothing about the other players. I'd absolutely open from MP or LP, but not EP.
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03-09-2024 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I absolutely open limp with this hand, especially since we know nothing about the other players. I'd absolutely open from MP or LP, but not EP.
why? he's 3betting 100% of hands. i dont think you're understanding what an egregious error that is. this might actually be one of the highest ev leaks he can find in any gameplan short of calling rivers with 0% equity or open shoving the flop without equity or something similar. JTss is an equity favorite vs ATC, has great playability, and you can definitely 4b with anything from an ev standpoint (he's going to be unable to defend something like the bottom 90% of hands, potentially closer to 95 depending on how he reacts to 4bs). the way to counter this leak is not to open limp imo
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03-10-2024 , 07:06 PM
RESULT

Hero bets 50 (planning to snap call a jam)
Villain snap calls with 33
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03-10-2024 , 07:07 PM
I’m pretty sure if I bet turn and jam river we get paid
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03-11-2024 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
why? he's 3betting 100% of hands. i dont think you're understanding what an egregious error that is. this might actually be one of the highest ev leaks he can find in any gameplan short of calling rivers with 0% equity or open shoving the flop without equity or something similar. JTss is an equity favorite vs ATC, has great playability, and you can definitely 4b with anything from an ev standpoint (he's going to be unable to defend something like the bottom 90% of hands, potentially closer to 95 depending on how he reacts to 4bs). the way to counter this leak is not to open limp imo
We aren't playing heads up. I'm assuming this is a full table. Are you calling/raising a 4bet from one of the other players? We know nothing about them, and I'm assuming this is a full table, so there are plenty of them just waiting to pounce.
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03-11-2024 , 06:34 PM
no you would obviously fold to a cold 4bet with jtss. how much can they really pounce if you're opening ~10% in ep lol? you have a hand you can go all in with like 25-30% of the time regardless of how wide the 3bettor is

Last edited by submersible; 03-11-2024 at 06:54 PM.
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03-11-2024 , 08:21 PM
Obviously we’re opening JTs lol
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