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03-25-2024 , 01:20 AM
We certainly should treat this spot as thought it’s a 110 straddle and we have a stack of 12 straddles. How is this different than a 2bb straddle? We fight for pots relative to the dead money available.

If it was BvB and sb shoved dark for 1300 you would fold AT cause it’s 433bb?
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03-25-2024 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
We certainly should treat this spot as thought it’s a 110 straddle and we have a stack of 12 straddles. How is this different than a 2bb straddle? We fight for pots relative to the dead money available.

If it was BvB and sb shoved dark for 1300 you would fold AT cause it’s 433bb?
100%. Like I said in my original post, it is up to you whether you want to accept the variance of playing with a 110 blind bet woth 8-13 blinds effective and if you want to fold for 0 EV instead of make play that is slightly winning.

The only thing keeping us from ripping it in pre is that UTG is a weak player who either doesn't have the bankroll or doesn't understand how bad it is to limp 99 UTG off a 8bb stack. But that is okay, we know how to exploit him by not jamming, although it is interesting if we jam, he might make a stupid fold.

If we were first to enter the pot, we would have a very profitable jam.
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03-25-2024 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
100%. Like I said in my original post, it is up to you whether you want to accept the variance of playing with a 110 blind bet woth 8-13 blinds effective and if you want to fold for 0 EV instead of make play that is slightly winning.



The only thing keeping us from ripping it in pre is that UTG is a weak player who either doesn't have the bankroll or doesn't understand how bad it is to limp 99 UTG off a 8bb stack. But that is okay, we know how to exploit him by not jamming, although it is interesting if we jam, he might make a stupid fold.



If we were first to enter the pot, we would have a very profitable jam.
What I took from that chart you posted is that we should fold or raise, either min raise or jam. And AQo is a jam.

Wondering why the two very polar sizing choices, and what makes certain hands a jam and others a fold, when some of the hands we jam seem fairly equivalent to those we min-click.

My thinking was that we wanted to min-raise just to fold out everyone left to act, while not committing our whole stack, just in case someone wakes up with AA/KK. Interesting to see the min-click hands seem to be stronger in general, which is the opposite of what I would have expected, making it seem like there's no folding once we raise, even if we min-click it. Or does the solver actually fold some of those hands to a raise here?



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03-29-2024 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by docvail
What I took from that chart you posted is that we should fold or raise, either min raise or jam. And AQo is a jam.

Wondering why the two very polar sizing choices, and what makes certain hands a jam and others a fold, when some of the hands we jam seem fairly equivalent to those we min-click.

My thinking was that we wanted to min-raise just to fold out everyone left to act, while not committing our whole stack, just in case someone wakes up with AA/KK. Interesting to see the min-click hands seem to be stronger in general, which is the opposite of what I would have expected, making it seem like there's no folding once we raise, even if we min-click it. Or does the solver actually fold some of those hands to a raise here?



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At these short depths, we want to shove our hands that are more difficult to play postflop, that are more vulnerable, and have a harder time realizing their equity. Lower pocket pairs that are likely to face overcards on the flop. These hands want to fold out random overcards and not give the chance to reshove or to just call a min raise and see the flop. AQo type hands also want to fold out hands with a lot of equity and get to see 5 cards when called.

Our strongest suited aces work well in the min raise category because they play better postflop and can be good enough to call vs a jam. Our higher pairs that are less vulnerable also have better postflop playability since they are less likely to face an overpair. And they also give us good hands to call jams with.
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03-29-2024 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
At these short depths, we want to shove our hands that are more difficult to play postflop, that are more vulnerable, and have a harder time realizing their equity. Lower pocket pairs that are likely to face overcards on the flop. These hands want to fold out random overcards and not give the chance to reshove or to just call a min raise and see the flop. AQo type hands also want to fold out hands with a lot of equity and get to see 5 cards when called.



Our strongest suited aces work well in the min raise category because they play better postflop and can be good enough to call vs a jam. Our higher pairs that are less vulnerable also have better postflop playability since they are less likely to face an overpair. And they also give us good hands to call jams with.
Makes sense. Thanks for breaking it down.

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