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05-10-2017 , 04:55 PM
Villian is a winning tight aggressive player that had been crushing the game entire night. He was up like 4 5 BI at that point. I am also have a tight aggressive image at the table. He has a $1.2k+ stack and I have about $450.

Villian (UTG+2) raised to 12$
2 callers and I decided to flat with AhKd in the BB because I don't want to play a big pot out of position vs him.

Flop comes Jh 6x Kh
me: Check
he: bets 30$ and the other two fold
me: call -> I've seen him double or triple barrels most of the time and the time that he goes to showdowns, he always show up with value hands except a few so I just want to pot control.

Turn is a blank 2x
me: Check
He: bets 65$
me: Call ->

River is another bank 4x
He: bets 110$
me: ? -> Is it a standard call here? If he is value betting, I can only chop against AK here though and there are also so many missed draws that he could have. Additionally, I've also seen him double or triple barrels a lot without having to go to showdowns. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks!
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05-10-2017 , 05:01 PM
3! pre; As played, snap call.
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05-10-2017 , 05:34 PM
Yes as played call.
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05-10-2017 , 05:38 PM
yeah one pair hands don't look so good in 4 way pots, raise pre, unless you think he's a total nit, then call.

Are you calling for a chop? What hands is he not checking back otr?
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05-10-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kritecia
I decided to flat with AhKd in the BB because I don't want to play a big pot out of position vs him.
This is bad. You want to lower SPR's when you are OOP to make the hand a heck of a lot easier to play. A good reason to flat AK is if you think your TAG V may be opening with AQ and AJ and folding them 100% of the time to a raise.
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05-10-2017 , 05:56 PM
Anything to make of the $12 raise? This is a very small raise at my table, and with this already going 4ways, it looks like it is a small raise here. Course, stacks are kinda getting deeper so maybe we're not totally comfortable setting a play up for them, but with like a $300 stack here I'm 3betting large with this dead money and pretty happily committing; admittedly $450 deep and OOP makes this a little more challenging, but I still think I lean towards 3betting.

Again, need to know more about what a $12 raise expecting to go very multiway means, but often if a good player is continuing after an obvious looking juicer raise multiway, it means he's crushed the board. If we're going to play this passively preflop and go multiway, I think we have to be more prepared to give up on this hand sooner than later. Not saying I'm check/folding the flop, but I think we have to start thinking of an exit strategy at the least.

By the time we get to the river and all the draws bust, I'm guessing we have to call. Still, very few people 3barrel at this level, so I'm not loving it (which is often why I would have given up on an earlier street).

ETA: Also, I'd immediately get a seat change after this hand. I really doubt we want to be OOP to this guy.

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05-10-2017 , 06:10 PM
Grunching -

Pre - flatting isn't horrible, but you probably don't want this to go 4-way with only 3% of your stack in. Raise it up to $50. Seize the initiative. You are ahead over everyone's ranges. Somebody will probably call you. Taking it down pre isn't that bad if it happens.

Flop - I'm okay with this. Raising bloats the pot. The other V's are out. You are ahead of V1's range. You have a read that V1 almost always has it when he triple barrels. Call and see what happens. Does V1's small bet sizing on such a wet 4-way board mean something? Don't you wish you raised pre?

Turn - I'm good with a call but am not happy about it. No surprise he fires another one given the number of draws on the board.

River - lousy spot given your read on V1's triple barrels. Plan was to fold this street, but bet-sizing is LOL small. V1 could be betting thin and you are getting close 3-1 to call. Prolly a sucker bet at these stakes, but I think you win or chop often enough to make this a call.

Again, don't you wish you raised pre?

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 05-10-2017 at 06:16 PM.
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05-10-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

Are you calling for a chop? What hands is he not checking back otr?
KQ betting thin in a perfect world. Maybe (unlikely) mid SC's with a busted FD, trying to push out another draw. Believing in these requires a fair amount of optimism. I see what you mean. An argument could be made for folding.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 05-10-2017 at 06:29 PM.
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05-10-2017 , 07:23 PM
Grunch. Call and not thinking too hard getting over 3:1 on this board. We only need 24% and will have way more equity than that even without bluffs. Yes much of that are AK chops.

Although board looks drawy, given our NFD blocker and the board, there are relatively few FDs in villains range.

But if you give him just a couple busted draws and a few KQ it's snipity snap call and I think you have to give him some KQ.

I agree preflop sizing seems small for 2/3 and I'd be curious if it correlated with anything... thinking about it almost makes me discount KK JJ tbh but I don't know how your game plays.

As for our line, meh... AKo not a great hand multiway oop and im 3! this here. I think pre is a mistake.

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05-10-2017 , 07:34 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone. Greatly appreciated. I considered 3bet, but I was about to quit so I wanted to play a small fit and fold pot. Anyway, I snapped call with my AK on the river just to see that he has AA T_T. But as played, I guess it was correct to justify calling giving the 3:1 odds that many of you pointed out. Now it doesn't make me feel so bad anymore.

P/S: Hate it when I was up like nearly $500 for the night and then lost a big $200 pot as I was about to exit
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05-10-2017 , 07:46 PM
I like a 3b pre as a squeeze. Even moreso if he'll call with worse aces.

We block the nfd so he has less bluffs. His river bet is polarizing for sure. The fact he bet the flop into 3 others leads me to believe he has less bluffs (although its not out of the realm for him to bet his draws).

We are getting over 3-1 otr and i think there are enough bluffs/KQ combos where we are good 25% of the time but I'm not fist pump calling.
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05-11-2017 , 02:01 AM
Call.
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05-11-2017 , 02:13 AM
Everyone is mentioning the fact that the draws missed as being good because villain may have missed. While this is true, it's less likely since we have the Kh in our hand. However, what I haven't seen pointed out yet is what our hand might look like to villain. We've defend BB and c/c'ed flop and turn and now checked river. It's pretty easy for us to have missed flush/straight draws and if he really is aggressive then he's probably going to want to continue bluffing. Also, since we have the Ah, he doesn't have the Ah, which is actually good for him from his perspective since it is more likely we hold the Ah and have missed a flush draw of our own. These are all just more reasons to call and I agree with the general consensus here: 3b pre, as played, call river. Unlucky to run into AA but he only has 3 combos of it since we have an ace in our hand!
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05-11-2017 , 05:54 AM
standard call
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05-11-2017 , 06:33 AM
3-bet pre

Flatting here is very bad, especially since it's going 4-ways to the flop. As played, pretty standard call down.
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03-07-2018 , 06:34 AM
Preflop sounds like standard sizing,postflop looks like me,stack size looks like me,if that’s s is vs me snap and win vs my thin value bet,most of the time.
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03-07-2018 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
Preflop sounds like standard sizing,postflop looks like me,stack size looks like me,if that’s s is vs me snap and win vs my thin value bet,most of the time.
Maybe it was you lol
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03-07-2018 , 06:08 PM
Distinct possibility,I was playing a lot of 2-3 at the time.
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