Both players are standard 1/3 loose passive regs. HJ was limping a lot, but he's been raising the last 4-5 orbits instead. SB is capable of bluffing in big spots, but it's been a while since I've played live cash with him.

$500 eff

HJ raises to $12. SB flats. We 3! to $55 in the BB with AA. Both call.

Flop ($165) T 2 4

SB Checks. We bet $50. HJ calls. SB Calls.

Turn ($315) 4

SB checks. Hero? We have $395 behind.

Bet 80 on flop. Jam turn. EZ game

Flop seems fine. 100 turn and jam river or check jam turn seem fine. Check call also seems reasonable but probably lower EV than check jam or bet turn jam river.

I know it is attractive to want to bet big on the flop and jam the turn, but we don't want to play our hand so face up. People can pick up on the fact that you just have an overpair and don't want a diamond to role off. Geometric size bets more evenly spread across 3 streets is the line that stacks more players more often on more runouts.

just jam the turn rn it's a psb we don't have to play cat an mouse

I'd go 100 on flop. With AA there's more chance you're up against an overpair rather than Ax and then you have a straightforward turn jam. Nothing wrong with the small bet as played, you're a bit awkward now though, jamming will probably still get crying calls from a Ten or an overpair but looks scary. Anything more than 100 is far too obviously committing.

I like this actually. Keeps value target range wider.

Are there value hands you would size up and jam turn with?

After 100 OTT are there rivers you would fold (T seems obv)?

I think I misread stacks a bit. Probably more like bet 150 on the turn and then jam river. If I go 150 on the turn I don't think I am ever folding river, probably just jamming any river myself.

I tend to only bet 25% pot in multiway pots on the flop. Not sure if I would ever have a different sizing on the turn other than 50% pot. Probably not. If we did in theory, not sure if I would want to block flush draws so it is more likely v has QQ/JJ or unblock flush draws so we get flush draws to fold to deny equity.

On second thought maybe we do want to size up 2/3 or so on turn and jam all rivers. River all in will be less than half pot. Making it hard to fold, but 2/3 size makes it harder for a flush draw to call in position.

are you more likely to not use geometric sizing and go bigger on turn with JJ/QQ as they benefit more from overcard equity denial?

Raise bigger pre, like $80-$85.

Check flop.

AP, jam turn.

Sent from my SM-G781U using Tapatalk

In general yes. Heads up, QQ with no diamond is the only value hand would like this sizing. Unblock draws, beats JJ in addition to 2x, and has 2 overs to watch out for. But even then, it looks like the EV of half pot is a little better.

Multiway, I don't know what the correct answer is in theory.

Agree preflop.

Doc: do you really want to check this flop multi-way? HU I can see it. Yes we have Ad, so we block a lot of FDs and wheel draws. But I would rather charge Tx and midpairs to continue because diamond and paired board turns are going to slow/kill action.

Also on turn: both have called flop c-bet. They must have some equity. Why jam? I'd rather make a value bet here and try to get Tx and FDs to call drawing thin. HU I like a jam.

I would love to hear more thoughts on your preferred line here. Thanks!

It depends on the players and their tendencies, but checking can be a strong play to either check call or check raise. A lot of players will bet any pair when you check the flop and will assume you have just AK or whatever. A lot of the time they will call a raise as well.

If you are vs a player like that that had a very high frequency of betting hands that don't make sense when checked to, checking can be great.

I'd go a little bigger pre-flop and on the flop. As played, $225 to charge (jam is fine, but you could have set it up better).

Somewhere between $200 and all in.

The V stack sizes matter so please include those. I would be more apt to shove with deeper opponents.

Sigh call any turn raise, check diamond rivers and bet non-diamond.

I agree pre and flop could’ve been a little bigger

I end up betting $125. HJ folds. SB ships it.

call

Call.

The 3! Sizing is good pre, I mention this because most people dont size big enough, so well done.


I think the argument for geometric vs getting it in OTT is a matter of how dynamic the board is. This one is quite dynamic so the made hands wont be likely to call 3 streets. For example In this case on a T42dd board, what are you targeting? If its Tx, are they really going all in? what do they do when JQKA hits the next street?

The issue is I think that jamming is overplaying your hand on this board. I think im betting turn and likely checking back river.


I like the flop $50, because it keeps in random overs like AK AQ KQ types, but it does leave for a wonky bet sizing ott. I think im going ~150.

I've been trying to incorporate more simplified plays into my overall strategy. One of those is to check flop at almost 100 frequency with our entire range as the pre-flop aggressor when we're multi-way and sandwiched between one or more opponents in front and one or more behind.

I saw a poker coach on YT call this "monkey in the middle". We want to see what our opponents do before we act. If the opponent behind bets, we can check-raise. If not, the opponent in front might stab at it on the turn. Checking allows our opponents to bluff or value-bet worse hands, and protects our range.

We'll still be c-betting multi-way in middle-position sometimes, but at a lower frequency. Like, we might c-bet 55 on a flop of T65tt, to avoid letting opponents take a free card and cooler us.

I think the play works well here, with a big over-pair to the board, blocking both the nut front-door and back-door flush, and blocking the wheel and Broadway draws. We're only behind sets or some weird and unlikely 2P.

Our pair doesn't need much protection on this board, and our opponents aren't likely to fold their best draws to the usual 1/3 pot c-bet size.

If we bet and one or both call, it'll be hard for us to navigate on a lot of turns - any diamond might complete a flush, any A, 3, 5 or 6 might complete a straight, any T, 4, or 2 might make someone trips, any 5 through a 9 might make someone a set or 2P. Any K, Q or J might make someone top 2.

AP - We 3B pre out of the BB, which usually signifies a tighter / stronger range, because we can just flat call and close the action. We got called by the original opener in HJ, who should have a "real" hand when he calls our 3B, and the SB, who double-flats, severely narrowing his range to middling pairs and SC's.

We bet a little less than 1/3 on flop, and they both call. Someone likely would have raised if they had 2P or a set, so our opponents likely have 1P, probably 4x-Tx, or some sort of draw.

The board pairing offsuit 4 on the turn doesn't complete any of our opponents draws, and we block A4dd, so our opponents shouldn't have much 4x in their range here. We have just over a pot-sized bet left behind - less than 1 SPR. It feels like a good spot to jam - we have the best 1P hand possible, almost certainly the best hand, and we have two opponents who've shown moderate strength.

Anytime the SPR is this low, we should be looking to stack off with top pair or better. The stack depths are awkward for making a less than all-in bet. Like, if we bet 2/3 pot, $200, we'll only have $200 left behind, and the pot will be $700-$900 going to the river. Regardless of what the river card is, it'll be next to impossible to fold.

Our jam will be laying HJ around 1.8 to 1 on a call. He'll be getting the right odds to call off with top pair or better and pretty much any draw. If he does call, SB will be getting insanely good odds to call with any pair or chase any draw.

On the other hand, if we just bet small, it's unlikely our opponents on a draw will call off a river bet if their draws brick out. I think we'd want to just get stacks in now.

Call.

i like a flop minraise CR to set up an easy turn jam.

Appreciate all the input.

I thought for like 2 seconds and called. He ended up having