Hi all,

Looking back on this I played this hand pretty terribly in hindsight as my reads from earlier hands went completely out the window. I think I just tanked and made an emotional decision based on a different situation that happened to me a few days ago. The situation was completely different as I was the preflop 3bettor in this hand not the caller.
As for my read that I completely forgot to mention, i found villian 1 to be somewhat loose preflop, a bit splashy and capable of firing a bluff.... This is such a slam dunk call or allin now that i think about it.

So on to the hand, im playing a private cash game 8 handed. I have JsJd second position, i think we'll say UTG+1 for simplicity.

$450 ef , blinds $2/$3 both villians cover.

V1 raises UTG $15, i 3bet to $45, directly to my left V2 cold calls, V1 calls.

Pot $140
Flop is 762dd, x , i cbet $60, V2 calls, V1 raises to $260.
As said earlier Im crushing most of his range and being the caller he can have a lot more junk here than what i gave him credit for. I tanked for a while, calling seemed like a good option because maybe I could get value from V2 if he has 88-TT or some type of draw. Jamming seems like a good option because JJ need a lot of protection on this board but im also in a way ahead way behind situation. I ended up folding and see an allin and call. So i see a showdown at the end and i wont give results just yet.

As played here, what would everyone be doing in my spot?
I was playing higher than what i'm rolled for at the moment and i think that was the deciding factor to why i ultimately folded here. Ive done very well in these games in the past pre covid and there were definitely some bigger fish than me in the game. So it seemed worth a shot.

I would not be betting $45 preflop. That 1/10 of your stack size sets you up for trouble post flop because it makes SPR awkwardly small but doesn't shut out the set miners. Given your position I would have gone to $60 preflop. That would have made it trivial to commit on this flop.

As played it depends on what I know about V1's check/raise. Mostly I fold when he check/raises two players but if he is particularly aggressive or bluffy I would shove. Calling only if I'm exploiting known fish that will put a lot in with weak one pair hands.

I think the preflop raise is OK, $45 is a PSR, though I usually count the blinds as well, even though they usually just go for the drop, so I would prefer $50. It's the same difference though.

I do not like the flop bet size of less than 1/2 pot with an aggressive player before me and an unknown behind, I prefer something closer to 2/3 pot, or $100.

After the $60 bet, a call and the c/r I'm mostly considering V1's range. Given your description, I doubt he would have QQ-AA, as he would have 4-bet pre with those hands. I would very much like to get it heads up with V1, pushing V2 and his probable draw out, or take the pot now.

So, I apply maximum pressure and shove.

I know you said V1 is somewhat loose pre, but is that from all positions? Generally I don't like 3betting an UTG raise from UTG+2 with JJ.

When someone check raises otf in 3bet multiway pot they can usually beat a pair of jacks. The only hand we would beat that could make sense is TT, but he's got all the sets, queens, kings, and although less likely, aces are still a possibility if he didn't wanna play his hand face up but this looks more like a value raise with a set and less like a FD.

Flop is 762dd, x , i cbet $60, V2 calls, V1 raises to $260.

I read one of your other threads. I play in a similar private game, with a similar V1, loose splashy and loves to pick spots for big bluffs.

The last thing I would do with your hand, the descriptions you gave, and stack sizes, would be to bet small Otf. You're inviting the bluff.

First, at least 65 pre, 45 invites all the scs, Broadway, small pairs, etc. Winnow it down.

Otf, at least 110. Makes him commit. If he has a set, he has a set.

I do well in my game and get the loose goosey V1 to put money in when he's behind. He used to blow me off hands when I did what you did. My rep in the game is tight to nitty.

Just my $. 02

The smaller stacked we are, the more the immediate dead money in the pot means something / the more we're cool with committing ASAP. The deeper the stacks are, the less the immediate dead money in the pot means / the more the stacks behind are important. With 150bb, I wouldn't consider ourselves short (we're not hugely deep, but we're definitely not short). There's not a lotta relative dead money to go after. Getting reraised kinda sucks. So I might even just leaning to flatting the original UTG raise preflop and just see what happens. If someone 3bets behind us where there becomes a lot more dead money, then I evaluate whether I think 4betting and playing for it all preflop is the way to go. If a bunch of people flat, maybe I lean to almost ~setmining. If it goes less multiway, I play a little postflop poker in a manageable SPR. If 3betting, I would raise to $60ish to make committing postflop easier; $45 will put us in a much tougher spot (where the SPR will almost force us to commit but meanwhile giving opponents just slightly too good of odds to see a flop if they know we're stacking off).

Tough spot on the flop. SPR is only ~3 and we're only 3ways, so with our overpair and drawy board I think you can argue we're simply committed (although slightly uncomfortably so thanks to giving the first guy ~okish 16:1 although other guy mehish 11:1). I think I would lean to committing, especially with this super vulnerable hand that hates half the deck, and just PSB to commit the rest in on the turn.

Kinda hate facing the check/raise as our line kinda looks like exactly what it is (an overpair) and yet V1 doesn't seem to care. I'm not sure enough opponents overplay TT-88 like this, although some could certainly get aggro with good draws. Just think we're forced to close our eyes and get it in here at this point though.

Gplanthingsoutjustabitbetter,imoG

Only 3betting pre when I need to discourage squeezes at a very squeeze happy table, otherwise just calling. Bet smaller on flop imo, to keep V2's range as wide as you can -- the bigger you bet the easier it'll be for V2 to play perfectly against you -- and to encourage missteps from V1. 1/3rd or $45 should suffice. As played V1 didn't take the option to 4bet squeeze so you almost certainly had him beat pre, and this flop will give him a whole lot more draws and second best hands than hands that now have you beat. Given that you'll have only around $150 or so behind I agree with your assessment, that this is a slam dunk allin.

The 3bet size is fine. Id go 50 but whatever. It doesn't really matter.

You can't fold after betting small. Like someone else said it induces a bluff pretty often (idk why the other poster wouldn't want that, I would welcome it) betting 100 is fine too. It's lower variance but also lower ev imo. Very rarely is it correct to be betting larger than half pot when it's multiway

I'm literally never folding jacks here. Idk what else to say other than we're ahead so much more often than we need to be. It's a very profitable spot. Slam dunk get it in

David Sklansky once defined hell as having JJ in a 3-4 way pot. I would have flatted here unless I knew the villain was raising light. If the villain was raising light, I would have raised more with all of my 3 bet range.

The c/r doesn't make sense unless he has a FD on the flop. Get it in.

Thanks for the wise words everyone.
On a personal note if anyone cares. I wasn't feeling 100% that day and my reads from observing V1 earlier at the table in the first half hour completely went out the window. In the hand I think I disregarded that read for the fact we have V2 in the hand and V1 opened from an earlier position. Which in hindsight i dont think means much.

As played i folded. V2 jammed. K2dd V1 TT v2. Board runs out clean and I would have won.

Felt like a real dummy nit after that. Normally I'm a station but just really didn't want to get stacked and be out of the game for that evening. Its not the right way to think about a hand as those thoughts are minus EV. I think the safest option to play well next time is to take 2 buyins at least.

Sounds like you're playing on a budget, not a bankroll. Try backing off playing for a while and save up 3 buyins, put it all in your pocket and then go play. The warmth of those extra buyins in your pocket can help.