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2/3 - How to play the STONES??? 2/3 - How to play the STONES???

02-10-2017 , 06:10 AM
2/3 live game, i tried a somewhat creative line, wanna know wht u guys think.

table is soft maybe one pretty good solid player (Villain in hand) a couple of avg players and the usualy 1-2 fi$h. However made a weird ALL in on 93792 with 66 ( got looked up by A high lol), so has some kind of SPAZZ in him occasionally.

We get AhJh and decide to Limp utg

we go 5 way to a limped pot of 7h5h4h
checked to us, we make it 11 into the 15 $ pot, only UTG+1 flats

Turn Qh, I check, Villain makes it 21, we minclick ut back to 45 Villain flats

River 6s we make it 105 into 127 pot.

What do you think is this line good? Assume you think villain has almost certainly a FLASH when he bets turn, do you like the Sizing?
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02-10-2017 , 04:02 PM
3rd nuts, btw. 6h8h, and 6h3h beats you. Kind of scary in a limped pot because those cards are definitely in the ranges of a lot of people in late positions, or in the blinds. Not very likely, but still a possibility.

At the turn, I would assume it is likely that Vil has a flush also, and I would have bumped it to like 75 because he's probably as likely to call a 3x bet as he is a 2x bet if he does have the flush. He would need a decently large flush to make any call to a reraise at this point. This would have allowed you to value bet bigger on the river. I think the sizing of the value bet on the river is fine though because it gives Vil better than 2:1 to make the call which he is likely to do if he does have a Kh, or maaaaaybe even 10h. It would be really difficult to call with anything smaller than that, but it wouldn't be likely that he'd call any raise on the four flushed turn if he were smaller too.
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02-11-2017 , 12:29 PM
If villain is OK then you will have trouble getting villain to pay off on the river. Villain can't have the ace high flush but there are a lot of hands that villain will call with on turn. Two pair, straights, flushes, any hand with 6h, sometimes with any pair. The stronger hands are hoping to beat a flush on the river, the weaker ones just want to see if you continue to represent a monster. The problem is that anything weaker then a K high flush might give up on river.

How good a line this is depends on how sticky villain is and how strong you think his hand is on turn. If he isn't likely to give up on turn and might call river then the min raise sets up a bigger river bet. If he is likely to give up his weak flushes on turn and only call river if he did draw out on you then it's bad.
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02-14-2017 , 12:46 PM
I actually prefer the open limp with AJs in EP over any other play.

We want to make the pot as big as possible as quick as possible so that we can perhaps play for stacks by the river (our goal). So I'd PSB the flop, and even slightly overbetting $20 into $15 would be fine too. The smaller we make our flop bet, the smaller our turn/river bets are going to end up being, where we will end up losing some value (unless stacks are small enough where they go in anyways).

Against good Villains who are capable of stealing, I think there are arguments for FPS on the turn. We could bet super small like we're scared of the flush and hope to induce a raise. We could check and hope to induce a bluff. If we take this route, we probably have to continue to play passive and just call and then check river to let him attempt to blow us off the hand one more time. Check/raising is targetting very few hands as even Kh might get off their hand at this point and the only other hands that are likely calling are sets trying to boat up.

As played, Villain must have called the turn with something. If he has the Kh, he'll have a hard time folding the river. If he has a set trying to boat up, he'll most likely insta-check those back and not pay off any bet. So just target his Kh type hands, and shove whatever chips we have for max value.

ETA: Just realized we don't actually have the nuts, but unless stacks are uber deep, we still have to treat it as the nuts as we can never fold (unless stacks are uber deep).

GimoG
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02-14-2017 , 03:28 PM
I would have just lead the turn myself, although the check/raise amazingly worked, and might have bet a little less on river to hope to get looked up by Kh. It's the only hand that might possibly call that you beat.
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