$2/3 my 2nd hand

H MP $565 40’s WG
V UTG ~$490 600lb mid 50’s WG. I’ve seen him before but never played with him. I do hear him though in the room occasionally as he’s a loud (fun I assume) player.

OTTH
V raises to $10 UTG which seems a little light. H just flats w/ QJcc. Being new to the table didn’t want to escalate with poor position and no real reads. MP+1 call, HJ calls, BTN calls, BB calls and UTG checks his option because he actually straddled the $10 and I wasn’t paying attention as I was getting seated/swiped in.

Flop ($57)
KT9hds

Checks to H, $25, 4 callers including V

Turn ($182)
KT9hds 4d

X, H $110, only V calls.

River ($402)
KT9hds 4d 2d

V shoves for $343. H? I feel like this is an obvious scare card for H and V is jamming a lot of hands here besides the flush, mostly 2p, 1p + SD and of course chop straights.

Thoughts?

I go bigger OTF for fat value this multi-way. Turn is fine, and never folding river against a loud rec without better reads. Sure, he has a couple of back-door flushes in his range, especially if those suits are in order and the K is Kh, not Kd, but there seems like there would be plenty more in his range for you to be good at least a third of the time.

All of this.

Yep

Even though it's a small raise, I fold preflop due to being just in MP. Too good a chance we're squeezed behind and otherwise going to end up OOP to many and as the first to act after the raiser with a hand that does have some RIO. But I'm a huge nit obviously.

I might bet bigger on the flop. Would be different if we were in LP and everyone checked to us indicating no one having anything, but with the world still to react behind us there is a good chance someone has something that isn't folding to a single larger bet.

I probably bet bigger on the turn.

Highly doubt two pear / chopping straight plays the hand this way. Also very unlikely the river brought in a worse two pair that plays it this way. And straight draws with a pair more seem to be happy enough with their showdown value. So to me this is either busted 87 (J7, really?) versus AQdd/AJdd. Obviously a lot more combos of the busted draws, although they're not bluffing at 100% frequency. Probably a crying call for this price against someone who may be fun player.

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This is always a flush with no reads (being loud isn't really a read, I can get loud sometimes too when I'm drinking but I still play correctly for the most part). There are flush combos in his range that he could play this way. If this was a chop, why would he jam after the 3rd diamond came out then? It's hard to determine whether I'm calling or not without being there and being able to watch the guy play and how he carries himself at the table but I'm leaning towards a fold btjmoc.

fold pre

$45 on the flop. $150 on the turn as played. And if you think V is jamming that many combos it should be a snap call. I dont think he is. I would guess KK and 1010 and maybe 99 are the only hands you beat that jam. How many AdXd does he have in his range from UTG? He probably has QJdd. KJdd. AKdd. But those likely lead the flop. AJdd and AQdd A9dd would take this line. Does he check KK, 1010 or 99 on the flop? Probably only small frequency. So maybe assign only one combo of KK, 1010, and 99 playing this way if that.

In practice I think Villain is showing up in this hand with A9dd, AJdd, or AQdd most of the time.

I think your small flop bet made the hand hard to play and range the villain.

As played Id be pretty deep in the tank and I think instead of talking myself into a solver approved call Id fold and give him credit for one of those three combos of the nut flush that make the most sense to take this line.

Interesting hand and very difficult river decision.

Thanks everyone.

H insta calls. Was way more worried about board pairing than the BD flush coming in. Of course V has J5dd.

I think if I folded to every river jam regardless of my holdings (nuts included) I’d be money ahead.

Jd5d raised UTG, eh? Don't worry, that money is coming back.

He only called the straddle so it was a limped pot basically.

Oh, I missed that. He actually just checked his option on the straddle no less. So yeah, his range was way wider than I thought, literally ATC pre.

Still an ambition call OTF, but if he was closing the action after a couple of callers, I can see it.