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02-17-2012 , 04:03 PM
I have a little over $400 and villain covers. Villain is very loose semi-aggressive kid. I have played 3-4 orbits. He opens half of the pots. I have three-bet him three times, and he has called all three times and folded on the flop or to a double barrel on the turn.

Villain early position raise to $12, I three bet to $35 with KcKs on the button. Big blind goes allin for $33. Flop comes Qh3s4h. Villain checks, I bet $55, Villain shoves allin for another $330. What to do?

Thanks in advance!
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02-17-2012 , 04:10 PM
Shrug and call
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02-17-2012 , 04:14 PM
Board: Qh 3s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.797% 41.80% 00.00% 15724 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 58.203% 58.20% 00.00% 21896 0.00 { AA, 44-33, AQs+, A3s, 43s, AQo, 43o }


I think villain is only doing this with these hands, Its most likely that villain has AQ rather than any other hand, but i threw all the hands he can do this with. If you could recall the boards when you 3-bet him followed by the flop/turn barrels that would help give a better range.

Based on villain, I make a sigh call. If we see a set, meh, if we see a 2p lets hope to suck out.
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02-17-2012 , 04:16 PM
fold
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02-17-2012 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pug Walker
Board: Qh 3s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.797% 41.80% 00.00% 15724 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 58.203% 58.20% 00.00% 21896 0.00 { AA, 44-33, AQs+, A3s, 43s, AQo, 43o }


I think villain is only doing this with these hands, Its most likely that villain has AQ rather than any other hand, but i threw all the hands he can do this with. If you could recall the boards when you 3-bet him followed by the flop/turn barrels that would help give a better range.

Based on villain, I make a sigh call. If we see a set, meh, if we see a 2p lets hope to suck out.
Earlier he limped/called with 56o, flopped trips, and made a similar move against the short stack raiser.

On my three-bet hands. Once with AK, small cards flop, and he folded. The other time with KQ, again missed the flop, he called a bet, turn an A, he folded. The third time I had KK, flopped a set, he folded.
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02-17-2012 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FitzyII
Earlier he limped/called with 56o, flopped trips, and made a similar move against the short stack raiser.

On my three-bet hands. Once with AK, small cards flop, and he folded. The other time with KQ, again missed the flop, he called a bet, turn an A, he folded. The third time I had KK, flopped a set, he folded.
Theres a difference between L/Callling and R/Calling, but i mean what was the board too.
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02-17-2012 , 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pug Walker
Theres a difference between L/Callling and R/Calling, but i mean what was the board too.
I don't fully remember the board on those three hands. Just the structure that I mentioned in the last message.

The two hands that he raise/called with and went to showdown was TT, and JTs, but given the amount of hands that he raised, and that he never folded to a three-bet, I should have given him a wider range.
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02-17-2012 , 04:38 PM
Meh i think the range I gave him is accurate enough.

Results?
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02-17-2012 , 04:58 PM
Spoiler:
I folded and his 5h6h bricked, and the other guy won the main pot with ace high. I don't feel that bad about fold given that he was ahead OTF.
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02-17-2012 , 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pug Walker
Board: Qh 3s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.797% 41.80% 00.00% 15724 0.00 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 58.203% 58.20% 00.00% 21896 0.00 { AA, 44-33, AQs+, A3s, 43s, AQo, 43o }


I think villain is only doing this with these hands, Its most likely that villain has AQ rather than any other hand, but i threw all the hands he can do this with. If you could recall the boards when you 3-bet him followed by the flop/turn barrels that would help give a better range.

Based on villain, I make a sigh call. If we see a set, meh, if we see a 2p lets hope to suck out.
No flush draws in his range?
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02-17-2012 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarkwt
No flush draws in his range?
Well, at the time, I didn't think flush draws as well. Specifically because someone was allin, and the side pot only included my $55 bet.
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02-17-2012 , 05:47 PM
I'd definitely put some flush draws in his range as well as weaker queens. I think this is a call. Is he really going to want to bet you off of the hand if he flops a set?

will look at results now.
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02-18-2012 , 03:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FitzyII
I have a little over $400 and villain covers. Villain is very loose semi-aggressive kid. I have played 3-4 orbits. He opens half of the pots. I have three-bet him three times, and he has called all three times and folded on the flop or to a double barrel on the turn.

Villain early position raise to $12, I three bet to $35 with KcKs on the button. Big blind goes allin for $33. Flop comes Qh3s4h. Villain checks, I bet $55, Villain shoves allin for another $330. What to do?

Thanks in advance!
grunch.
It's super unlikely he has a set. He'd probably always slow play or make a small raise here considering the past hands. Remember weak means strong and strong means weak. he probably has a combo flush draw like A3s 25s 56s etc. Occasionally 43 or Q4 for 2 pair, rarely AQ/KQ but virtually never a set imo.

I'm in the shrug and call camp.
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