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2/3 - common spot with AK, turn decision 2/3 - common spot with AK, turn decision

03-23-2013 , 06:19 AM
Hero: 30yo cleanish cut Korean male, been sitting at table for a few hours. Playing on the looser side of TAG (or tighter side of LAG). Had a bad run and lost a bit in the first couple hours but building back his stack. $350 stack.

Villain - Armenian(?) 30-something male. Gives off a serious lethargic degen vibe. Tends to get extremely spewy and blow his whole stack by thoughtlessly pushing chips around. Went busto once or maybe twice rebuying for $100 each time. Ran hot for a bit, building his stack to $600+; it's now back down to $180. I seriously doubt he's noticed any specific tendencies of mine (like c-betting too much).

Preflop:
Villain and CO limp, hero raises to $22 from BB with AsKh, Villain calls, CO folds.

Flop ($47): 8c 4s 3c
Hero bets $35, Villain calls

Turn ($107): Kc

What's your plan on this turn? I was planning on giving up after flop due to awkward stack sizes for b/f-ing but now we've caught a piece but it's the piece that brings in the most obvious draw.
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03-23-2013 , 09:12 AM
I c/c here. Let him rep the flush, and if he has it, GG him. If you bet, he's afraid of the K and of the flush, but if you check his degen tendencies may get the better of him.
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03-23-2013 , 11:14 AM
Prob checking and am almost done with the hand without the nfd redraw. He has committed a fair amount of his stack and has slightly >PSB left. If his turn bet isn't a ship, his river bet will be. If the turn checks thru, unlikely if he's flushed up, then I may be more willing to call a river bet, or even make one. But it's hard for him to have KQ,KJ,K10 otf, putting in a good chunk of his stack on a float and A-8 may raise-shove to take it down otf, over pairs do this also, leaving a lot of FD in his range, 99,77,sets, aforementioned Kx, A-8. Juice prob isn't worth the squeeze.

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03-23-2013 , 11:24 AM
Considering stack sizes, the degen/fishy-aggro nature of this villain, being oop & this board texture, I'm inclined to not cbet & just check this flop and see how he reacts. This flop smacks his limp/calling range. By checking, we let his degen/aggo tendencies kick in and he probably bets his draws. If he bets, I shove -simple. If he checks and that turn card appears, I hate life, the poker gods and everyone else for 30 seconds and likely tank-sigh ch/f.
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03-23-2013 , 02:27 PM
overshove the turn or check shove the turn depending on his tendencies.

He only has $123 left on the turn and the pot is $107. You could overshove the turn and expect a ton of worse hands to call off. Ac(2-Qx), KQ, 67, any 8x, 9c9x, TcTx, etc.

I only like checking if this guy has 80%+ chance of auto-betting when checked to. Otherwise I'd just overship if he's capable of calling off light.

Never check folding or check calling in this spot, I hate both those plays, they seem extremely weak to me vs a spewtard.
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03-23-2013 , 02:44 PM
I'm not c-betting this every time in this spot vs. this guy but sometimes it's good. OTT given stack sizes and villain description I'd b/c for like $70, as awkward as it may seem. It's essentially a shove in that it commits him but doesn't look as scary as overbet shoving. We really don't want to give a free card here especially OOP so I don't like c/anything, although c/shove is definitely the best of those options.
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03-23-2013 , 02:55 PM
Awkward spot, hard to say really. You can check, but he's almost certain to bet here and you don't really gain a whole lot of info unless he checks behind.
If you bet, you gain info if he raises or calls and have a chance to win the pot, but any bet that's not a shove is pretty much too small...

It's really tough, but I feel a little more inclined to check/call or check/shove. If he has the flush, it sucks, but I think he has hands like A8s, 56s, 78s, 89s, etc. all well within his range also.

I could be wrong though.
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03-23-2013 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zohren
Awkward spot, hard to say really. You can check, but he's almost certain to bet here and you don't really gain a whole lot of info unless he checks behind.
If you bet, you gain info if he raises or calls and have a chance to win the pot, but any bet that's not a shove is pretty much too small...

It's really tough, but I feel a little more inclined to check/call or check/shove. If he has the flush, it sucks, but I think he has hands like A8s, 56s, 78s, 89s, etc. all well within his range also.

I could be wrong though.
If he's certain to bet then c/shove is easily the best play but idk if this is the case which is why I advocate b/c.
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03-23-2013 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by shifty oriental
Villain - Armenian(?) 30-something male. Gives off a serious lethargic degen vibe. Tends to get extremely spewy and blow his whole stack by thoughtlessly pushing chips around.
Have played similar sort of villains and imho it's quite likely he would have raised or over-shoved the flop with FDs. He would have flatted with TP, MP with some BD draws, SDs, over cards and AcXx/KcXx as they love runner-runners. I reckon his range remains wide after calling the flop: Ac(2-Tx), Kc(T-Qx), 8(5-K)s, 4(5-6)s, 56s, 67s, 33-77. I excluded over pairs like 99+ , AcJx+ and 34s as he would have raised pre or OTF. I'm also being conservative here assuming villain is not terribad that would have limp called your raise with off suit connectors and gappers.

Given stack size I think bet/calling off is pretty standard here as spewy villain will often shove with most of that range (NFD, OESD, KX) and fold 55-77, 67s in this spot. Obviously your crushed by 33, 44 and 88 but that's only 9 combos.
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03-23-2013 , 06:36 PM
Thanks guys. I ended up checking and he bet $15. It's a play I've seen him make before when he had a little more than a pot-sized bet left and the turn paired. In the other hand, he got called, jammed the river, got called and showed a boat. I honestly wanted to fold right here and maybe I should have. I ended up calling, checking the river and folding to his river shove.
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