2-3-5 deepstack with mandatory straddle.

hero has $1200

V1 lag fish middle aged white euro who likes to peel flops and call with a very wide range pre
v2 young white unknown player, seems a bit inexperienced. Has tried to execute a few bad bluff stabs postflop in multiway pots.


both villians cover

V1 limps utg
V2 raises LJ $50
hero calls btn with 76hh
V1 calls

Flop $160
T87hh
checks to hero who bets $140
v1 calls
v2 calls


Turn $580
T872hh
check
check
hero has ~$1000 behind

I'd probably throw out some sort of large bet and call it off, assuming your image isn't too crazy. I think you should have a good amount of FE against both players.

Might just check the flop.

I think most of the population that check/calls flop in V2's spot is always very capped. If he shows up with anything TP+ i'd be surprsied.

I think V2's range is also somewhat capped to TPGK given the limp in ep. Alot of T9, JT, QT is peeling, in additon to other mid pair+sd, pair+fd, naked draws. I think you can extrapolte the read that players open limping will generally fast play their two pair+ on this board because they need to "protect/avoid a suckout agasint the flush/straight draws".

I agree with muffinman, I'd do something like slighlty overpot/call. Even shipping seems good to me.

all in

also you should fold pre to the 10x if you don't know to ship now (not trying to be a dick, just saying you have to play perfectly/you can't make sizable mistakes post in order to profitably call 10x pre with 7-high).

Yeah pre is a fold in a 3 blind game probably, you still have three uncapped ranges to worry about (maybe four if you consider the possibility that UTG is limp-reraising). The HH isn't entirely clear though, is the mandatory straddle to 5 or 10? If it's a 5x raise then it's a different story entirely.

On the flop your draw is hardly "monster." You have a 7 high flush draw with bottom pair and gutshot to a 3rd nut straight on a T987 turn, on a flop that already has a heavy made straight. Checking the flop is completely fine and likely optimal, though there is a decent argument to make a "promotional" bet to fold out some of the Jx/7x hands and make your outs a bit cleaner. Of course, that will cause your flush outs to be dirtier as well.

On the turn do both of the players cover your 1k? Shoving seems okay, but it's difficult to know in these spots if it's the best option, when checking is worth so much EV already. It's an interesting spot because I'm not sure your hand is much better to shove than if you had napkins. No one ever has a set or something where all your outs will be clean if called. I guess two pair is possible, especially for the fish. Folding out a hand like T9 or 99 would be a huge coup, though.

The one dude is drawing on the flop a huge % of the time. The other dude is call/evaluating the turn action a huge % of the time. We shove because (A) we win the pot an absurd amount and (B) our equity against a shove calling range is WAY greater than our current equity (where we are often ****ed by bigger combos and such).

Seems to me that it is a 10$ straddle, so only a 5x raise. I also like shoving on turn.

$10 straddle so 5x raise.

This hand was one my fellow poker buddies and i discussed back and forth so I thought id post it here and see what consensus was

Agree with all of this

not betting the flop IP with this much equity is criminal imo

Read Rentons post again, and possibly flirt a little with PLO. Don't actually take her out to dinner or make any long term commitments, but casual drinks and a few late night romps with her would be good for your overall game.

yea rentons post is true.
i typically use these kind of weak flushdraws that have a pair in them to check back with, which is nice to keep some flushes in your range when you check back and then you get there.
also think pre is pretty loose vs the 10x open
id usually check turn though having played this way

A weak draw with a pair that needs alot of protection from overs?

I dont mind checking some flush draws IP, usually when we have a good pair to go with it that doesn't need protection.

In this spot you are never never worse than a 40% dog vs ranges


also this was a straddled game so its not really a 10x raise

I'd either check back flop or bet with the intention of betting it all off on almost any runout.

I generally lean toward playing a draw faster when it's drawing to weaker made hands, but the hands we draw to are SO weak that betting big puts us in a spot where we're no longer doing fantastically against their continuing ranges.

OP, this reasoning, "not betting the flop IP with this much equity is criminal imo" seems far too linear. Betting any hand that's "good enough" to bet (especially to this size which has LARGE implications on villains' continuing ranges and SPR) without considering how it manipulates villains ranges, anticipated action facing a flop raise of our bet versus facing a turn lead after we check, etc is often going to lead you to the wrong answer.

I think I like the aforementioned idea of betting small (at least in a vacuum) to push some 7x and Jx off their hand and also to keep some betting initiative so we don't facepalm at showdown against random crappy pairs. Maybe it's good to protect our check back range against described laggy players and maybe this is a good hand to do it, but thinking about how to form our flop check back ranges kinda hurts my brain in this spot so I'll defer to others. That discussion could probably earn an entire thread unto itself.