PRE - seems fine at first. Can't possibly consider folding AKs to this 4B size, unless we're certain V only has AA/KK/AK. The small 4B size does set off all the warning bells, though.

FLOP - obviously we're mostly going to check in flow, though I think I wouldn't hate a small donk bet, just to see how he reacts. He's probably not c-betting KK, so we can take control of the pot and make sure some money goes in. A side benefit is that it puts his AA in an awkward spot, where he doesn't want to blast off and scare us away.

TURN - smallish <1/3 pot bet seems fine when we turn some additional equity. Same logic as above - we take control, make sure money goes in, and force him to come up with an optimal response.

RIVER - check fold, man.

Referring to our recent debate about how to respond to a small turn donk on a two flush board with TPTK or an over-pair, if V jammed turn, would you have called?

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If he jammed turn over my bet i think i would have to call just because of the SPR and the fact i have the additional equity with the flush draw and he could have AK as well or feel like he has to jam w AQs for protection. If I had AQ w no flush draw I could fold.

Do you agree?

Honestly, with no other dead money in the pot, no other equity to deny, not absolutely hating inviting BB along, sooted (plays postflop fine), non-short (can't setup trivial postflop commitment) and OOP (not loving bloating a pot where we'll be playing postflop), I'd be cool with a flat preflop. But that's me and my approach and I'm guessing not remotely solver (or even forum) approved.

And against most I now make a nitty preflop fold facing the 4bet. Course I likely have a much nittier image than most so when my large 3bet gets 4bet at non-short stacks obviously ranges are extremely tight. Yeah, it's almost a minraise, but our IO vs RIO, especially OOP, suck.

Also checking the flop.

I probably check the turn. Would suck to get raised off our draw by AA. And not convinced KK is paying off 2 bets (at least, against nitty me). He could easily value town himself versus a check anyways.

I'm too lazy to math what the pot size / jam is (please do this for us next time). But, yeah, KK/QQ never does this (they always happily showdown) so this is always better (at worst chopping AK, although it never taskes this line postflop). I would have probably led river for a "same bet" and folded to a jam, especially since he never has anything to bluff with (as we block the busted draws).

We're definitely going to lose money with AK vs AA. But we shouldn't be losing non-short $500 stacks against all but the most extremely active, imo.

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I do agree, in this spot, with your hand, against this V, yes, I think we have to call.

It's interesting that in that scenario, we can give him AQs, which our AK beats, and we have the flush draw as backup if we're not already ahead.

This, I think, supports what I was saying in our little debate - when we (or in that other hand, V) donk here, we could be ahead, or at least drawing live with decent equity to improve, so jamming over the smallish turn donk doesn't necessarily create as much fold equity or deny as much equity as we might think, to whatever extent the turn donk isn't always / only a naked draw with a ~20% chance to get there.

Also, as an aside, sometimes the gut feeling that V is super-strong isn't just MUBS. Sometimes it's our sub-conscious trying to warn us about a very real threat. Seems like your gut feeling was spot on here, and as hard as it may have been to do it, you might have found a hero fold prior to the river, if not on the river.

I don't like flatting pre OOP there, but that's just me of course so I'm usually either gonna 5bet CIB/f or jus fold pre. If this is a rec player who never 3bets or 4bets pre I'm just folding but if he's someone who would think we're raising light due to history and he would 4bet us light, I'm gonna 5bet/CIB if there's room (depending on stacks) and fold to a raise or just jam if we're around 100 bb's or shallow.

The river looks like a fold, but it really depends on his stack size so this could be JJ, AJ, AA and AK which we tie. I can't see him bluffing here if he's calling the turn bet (yes there's a missed BDFD but that's a miniscule part of his range).