First HH post, sorry about bad formating.

Hero - young white male probably closer to TAG image won a big multiway pot by slowplaying nuts on a dry board and getting max value by convincing a player to commit his stack because i showed a bluff against him earlier.

villain - middle aged man, probably playing around 35/15. Was caught triple barrelling with 10q on ace k 10 x x board.

OTTH:

Villain is eff. stack with 130 BB

Folds to hero UTG + 2 with KsKd makes it 20 , villain calls in HJ, no other callers. Flop 6h 3d 3h. I lead out for 30 villain calls. Turn is Q spades and i bet 90 into around 105 i notice him hesistate for a bit then call. River is a non heart 9 and I check. He shoves all in for 225 into around 300. I stare at him and say "pocket 6's?" and notice him twitch his arm that's covering his cards.

Hero?

i wouldve shoved. call now

i checked river to let him bluff his missed heart draws to get more value, would it have been better to just shove?

Snap call

definitely calling, if hes always bluffing with his missed draws then checking to x/c seems good, but vs most players i would just shove the river as i could be bluffing with missed draws myself

Would definitely call this bet.

After checking river I feel villain is only shoving naked heart draws that missed or a slow played 66. Given he triple barreled 2nd pair earlier I think he is capable of bluff shoving the river making it a call.

I would have liked a shove by Hero on river. I think there are alot of Qx heart hands that could call that might otherwise check back the river. Might also be able to entice a call by jj/1010 if villain thinks you are bluffing missed draws. I think value here is greater than picking off villain bluffs.

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PF: Eff. stack is $390. PF is good.

F (45): SPR is ~9. $30 cbet is fine.

T (105): A bet is fine, although I would have liked to see something smaller; I think this size ~pot size bet pretty much turns your hand face up. After his call what does his range look like? AA, QQ, AQ, KQ, QJ, QT, AhXh, 66, Ax3x, 4x5x. I really can't think of what else he could possibly call you with on this turn and for that price. Eff has $250 left; 36% of the eff stack in the pot.

R (285): Any bet from you is targeting his AQ, KQ, and QJ. I don't think we can take a B/F line because say we bet $100 we've put in 2/3 of the effective stack, and shouldn't be folding.

The arm twitch shouldn't mean anything to you. He's not shoving here with just a queen. Pretty polarized bet. I guess I'm folding.

Edit after reading posts: I don't understand why we would shove the river. I just don't think that we can get three streets of value against QX. If we think that he has KQ, then shoving gives him the opportunity to fold because he may think we have AQ or have what we do have which is an overpair.

If a raise in EP is likely going to get things HU, I would also do this; otherwise at more loose and aggro tables I'd typically limp to reraise.

SPR on the flop is just over 9. If Villain was ABC, we could probably get away with 3 very small bet/folds, where we'd feel comfortable folding to a raise along the way plus the small betsizing won't get us committed. But this guy seems more aggro (no?), and so we're not going to feel comfortable folding to him, but at the same time we don't want to play for large stacks behind when our hand might also be face up if we continue. Other than the flush draw, board is pretty dry, and this guy is aggro (where is betting range when checked to is probably going to be a lot wider than his calling range when bet into). So I'd probably lean towards checking the flop and going from there.

If we are betting, we have to be very mindful of our betsizes. We bet 3/4 PSB on the flop, and almost a full PSB on the turn, which created a situation where we are now OOP on the river, with a pretty face up hand (jeez, we raised preflop in EP, bet big on the flop, bet big on the turn, I wonder what we have?), and yet only have a 2/3 PSB left for the river (i.e. feeling committed yet?). With the draws busting and this guy proving he can be aggro, we've probably gotten ourselves into a corner where we have to pay off (especially since a 3x would probably raise somewhere along the way with the flush draw being out, so it really limits the better hands he can have). I call, but I don't think we should have gotten ourselves in this situation for stacks.

ETA: Everyone else (except perhaps Below Zero) is cool with just pedal-to-the-metal here?

GimoG

You said yourself that you had the intention of checking to induce a bluff on a missed draw. What are you waiting for now? Call.

thanks for the replies

i bet big on the turn because i felt like even though it made my hand face up, i wanted to exploit the fact that i didn't think villain could fold jj-99, AQ, kq or realise he's getting the wrong price to chase his flush draw. Would it have been better to play it in a way where i'm not committed?

anyways, i ended up calling and he did end up having 66. i figured he has more bluffs/worse hands he may be value betting if he puts me on a missed FD than the three combos of 6's and 1 combo of 3's. He could also have 3 combos of qq that got there on the turn. If i had the k of hearts it would've reduced the amount of hands i wanted him to bluff with but i still don't think i'm folding. his hesitation on the turn seemed like hollywooding and when he twitched his arm after i asked him if he had 66 it did make me lean towards him having it but i don't think i'm good enough to fold there

This is a question you should be asking yourself way earlier than the river (definitely before you put in a single bet postflop, but even preflop you should be formulating a postflop commitment plan).

And how you answer this question is up to you. Is your image loosey goosey enough and this guy a drooling calling station enough such that hurp durp he's going to call down an EP raiser for 4 straight bets for 130bb stacks with a worse hand? If so, then commitment might not be a terrible plan. If not, then make an alternative plan.

GimoG

No I think this is a fine strategy, but if it's your strategy then don't get nervous when villain does exactly what you want -- bets big. At that point you have to call and not think twice about it. You purposely showed some weakness by checking the river to induce a bluff. Call.