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2/3/10 flopped set best line? 2/3/10 flopped set best line?

04-21-2024 , 01:50 AM
Straddle for 10 is on the button. Effective stack about 400 with me covering villain. No strong reads on villain, havent seen him do anything too crazy, but he has been caught bluffing in smalll/med pots a couple times, seems to be of average live game looseness in my estimation. I do know that he is wearing sunglasses and is waiting for 1/2 PLO though.

Everybody folds to hero in LJ w TT.

We open to 30.

Just the button straddler calls.

Flop Ad Kd Ts (unfortunately i dont remember if I had the Td or Th w club T)
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04-21-2024 , 02:14 AM
If he is average live game looseness you are unlikely to get much from him on a flop that hits your range unless it also hit his hand. I'd bet roughly pot expecting to see a fold unless he hit as well.
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04-21-2024 , 03:04 AM
This is a board where you have a piece of it or you don't. If villain has undercards or an underpair they are just not going to really call much of anything or stab flop very often if we check. So checking flop doesn't feel like a thing here.

With 60-65 in pot on flop and 370 or so behind, it seems pretty simple to go 40 flop, 100 turn, 230 river. Only reason I wouldn't continue betting is a Q/J turn and/or backdoor diamonds coming in.
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04-21-2024 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
This is a board where you have a piece of it or you don't. If villain has undercards or an underpair they are just not going to really call much of anything or stab flop very often if we check. So checking flop doesn't feel like a thing here.

With 60-65 in pot on flop and 370 or so behind, it seems pretty simple to go 40 flop, 100 turn, 230 river. Only reason I wouldn't continue betting is a Q/J turn and/or backdoor diamonds coming in.
Thanks. So there's not really a reveal here. I play live and online so sometimes I accidently automatically take an online line live or a live line online, tongue twister.

So I started with a check oop here and villain bet 30. I thought I could get a lot of value from stuff like AJ, AQ, flush draws, combo draws, which I imagined would be a big part of his betting range here, so I XR to 95. He folded, and after I was thinking XR is too strong vs anyone except total fish and regs I have history with and I probably should just lead to get more money from Ax and draws.
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04-21-2024 , 01:16 PM
Yeah CR seems like the worst. You're basically announcing you have AA or KQ at that point.
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04-21-2024 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Yeah CR seems like the worst. You're basically announcing you have AA or KQ at that point.
I instantly regretted it because that's 100% correct
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04-21-2024 , 03:07 PM
This flop is great for your range just go ahead and cbet.
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04-21-2024 , 03:50 PM
You're only 40BB deep so no need to check-raise. Just go geometric and you can get the money in comfortably over three streets against Ax and flush draws, perhaps they find a fold on the river with AJ or something but you get a decent payoff whatever.
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04-21-2024 , 04:10 PM
Yea i sucked on this one
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04-21-2024 , 05:27 PM
I like raising slightly bigger pre. Cbet $40.
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04-21-2024 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoola1981
I like raising slightly bigger pre. Cbet $40.
I agree, I normally do go to 40 pre over the straddle and add 10 for each limper, but oddly this table had been more sensitive to preflop sizing and was folding to 40 regularly and 30 became the standard this night.

I think I potentially missed a lot of value by check raising. Plus although the possibility is remote, there was a $500 high hand payout every 30 mins so another T couldve been lucrative.
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04-22-2024 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Thanks. So there's not really a reveal here. I play live and online so sometimes I accidently automatically take an online line live or a live line online, tongue twister.
I think an important difference between online and live is what kinds of hands people are aggressive with on early streets. In this live game, I'd expect BTN to stab flop with merge-ish hands like weak Ax, Kx, perhaps a little QT or JT, but not total airballs or underpairs. Online, the trend likely will be reversed, which makes checking benefit or not hurt us against most segments of V's range.

So when you're in a spot like this, with a fairly locked-down board but a lot of ways it can be hit, the range BTN will call your bet is quite similar to the one he may bet himself, "may" being an important word here when deciding. Betting benefits us more since we choose the size and take advantage of live players generally being pretty call-happy.
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04-22-2024 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
I think an important difference between online and live is what kinds of hands people are aggressive with on early streets. In this live game, I'd expect BTN to stab flop with merge-ish hands like weak Ax, Kx, perhaps a little QT or JT, but not total airballs or underpairs. Online, the trend likely will be reversed, which makes checking benefit or not hurt us against most segments of V's range.

So when you're in a spot like this, with a fairly locked-down board but a lot of ways it can be hit, the range BTN will call your bet is quite similar to the one he may bet himself, "may" being an important word here when deciding. Betting benefits us more since we choose the size and take advantage of live players generally being pretty call-happy.
Yep, I agree 100% with that. Excellent points.
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04-22-2024 , 11:32 AM
one of the things ive learned not to do live when playing at least 200bb deep is to not CR the flop or 3b with monsters on boards that favor my range. either c/c or bet/call. keep your range nebulous.

like if i had KK on an AKx board i would bet 2/3-3/4 pot then call a raise. if i have QQ on a QTx board id range bet 1/4 pot then call a raise. never reraising or checkraising the flop.
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04-22-2024 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
one of the things ive learned not to do live when playing at least 200bb deep is to not CR the flop or 3b with monsters on boards that favor my range. either c/c or bet/call. keep your range nebulous.

like if i had KK on an AKx board i would bet 2/3-3/4 pot then call a raise. if i have QQ on a QTx board id range bet 1/4 pot then call a raise. never reraising or checkraising the flop.
Thats good advice. In live play XR gets so much more respect than online. So I've been XR bluffing a lot more with all kinds of draws. I have yet to be called.

Let me ask you this one. This was a while ago. We have KK we opened and got called by just SB who is a loose and somewhat aggressive villain. We get a wetish flop of J 8 6 w flush draw. Check, we cbet $20 for 2/3, villain check raises 3x to $60. Would you just call or 3bet that? I 3bet it to $150 because of all the draws, but he folded. Which isnt necessarily a bad result but curious what you think?
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04-22-2024 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Thats good advice. In live play XR gets so much more respect than online. So I've been XR bluffing a lot more with all kinds of draws. I have yet to be called.

Let me ask you this one. This was a while ago. We have KK we opened and got called by just SB who is a loose and somewhat aggressive villain. We get a wetish flop of J 8 6 w flush draw. Check, we cbet $20 for 2/3, villain check raises 3x to $60. Would you just call or 3bet that? I 3bet it to $150 because of all the draws, but he folded. Which isnt necessarily a bad result but curious what you think?
assuming you are fairly deep, id just call that bet 100% of the time. 3betting gets you stacked vs sets. if the flush draw comes and he bets out huge i just fold.
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