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03-03-2012 , 11:17 PM

DeucesNeverLoses

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9 handed 2/2/3 NL ($2 on button) $200 max buyin.

Players that matter:

V1 ($350): in BB, very passive and a huge station.

V2 ($300): in CO, plays very straight forward and does not bluff, but can be a station sometimes.

Folds to MP1 who limps, Hero ($300) in MP2 raises to $8 with 3

HJ calls, V2 in CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls, V1 in BB 3bets to $22, all players call.

Flop($150): A

SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero??

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03-04-2012 , 02:30 AM

absherrj

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All in, kidding obviously. Bet your hand dude its not rocket science as I assume you know having 900+ posts. I like anything 20-25$ otf.

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03-04-2012 , 02:42 AM

jack492505

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03-04-2012 , 02:48 AM

ikestoys

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Bet. Anything else is super awful.

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03-04-2012 , 04:04 AM

canoodles

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Think of it this way. OTF, any 44-KK is over the kicker card, if you bet here, you're going to get looked up by these a lot of the time. Lets say you check, and the turn is Jx. Now any 44-1010 is an under-pair and you've lost the ability to get 3 streets. If they have Ax, they're going to play with you no matter what. Nobody is bluffing at this pot or they would've done so already. Any hand like KQ that hits a pair OTT only does so 12-14% of the time (if I'm doing my math correctly), and even then you're only going to get a street usually. Bet $55 like jack said is good.

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03-04-2012 , 04:39 AM

DeucesNeverLoses

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I ended up betting $35, both V1 and V2 call.

Turn ($220): A

V1 checks, Hero?

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03-04-2012 , 05:52 AM

wake_up

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arrrrrrr in

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03-04-2012 , 06:11 AM

SeaUlater

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Did you just bet $35 into $150?

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03-04-2012 , 06:46 AM

zhenzhenZHEN

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75 and hope V1 comes along with his kings or whatever lol

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03-04-2012 , 01:08 PM

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agnostia

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i don't understand those who are advocating these 1/3ish pot sized bets. we effectively have the nuts here and given that hero raised to $8, got called in multiple spots, then got 3bet and and everyone called... its pretty likely someone, if not 2 villains have AT+. especially the 3bettor, probably weighted more towards AK/AQ if he has an ace.

i'm betting ~ $100 and taking AQ/AK to value town.

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03-04-2012 , 02:44 PM

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ikestoys

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Originally Posted by agnostia

I'm all for large potish sized bets most of the time. This is one of the few times I'm not. We have little equity to protect here and the pot is already so bloated it'll be real easy to get it all in even with small bets.

A bet size of 50 and 100 leaves us with just over 200 to giv the villain like 3-4 to 1 depending on how many callers we get.

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03-04-2012 , 03:06 PM

#12

ikestoys

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My quick math is absurdly wrong there. It's way less.

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03-04-2012 , 03:20 PM

#13

Pug Walker

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Bet ~50 OTF, 125 OTT, shove river

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03-04-2012 , 05:04 PM

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agnostia

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I just don't think any of the villains with an ace here are thinking about the possibility of hero having a boat.

All they are thinking is, "LOL, I has trips! I'm never folding!"

IME, AT+ is never folding here.

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03-04-2012 , 06:14 PM

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ChoicestHops

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I don't know how to explain how I feel about this hand. You're deep and flop a boat and bet like a fifth of the pot. Bet 100 on the flop and ship any turn.

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03-04-2012 , 06:31 PM

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agnostia

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Originally Posted by ChoicestHops

I don't know how to explain how I feel about this hand. You're deep and flop a boat and bet like a fifth of the pot. Bet 100 on the flop and ship any turn.

Totally agree... and with the $3 superblind, they're not even deep. This is a dream flop for us because it smacks our villains range in the face, but there's almost no way we're behind.

I'm bet/shoving and expect to be beat into the pot by AJ+

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03-04-2012 , 06:35 PM

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Kyle Mulhesta

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Bet 65.. bet 80... all in

U really need help figuring this out?

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03-05-2012 , 01:34 AM

#18

Analog

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Hands like this being posted make me wonder why I joined 2+2 again after years away.

Bet, bet, shove, I guess. Just put your stack in by the end of the hand.

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03-05-2012 , 04:58 AM

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zhenzhenZHEN

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V1 is BB. He 3bet out of the blinds. He c/c flop.

Why in the world would we not just bet small 3 times and get him to call all the way? Once he calls flop he either has a strong Ace, a weak Ace, or something like Kings. The fact that he c/c flop really makes me lean towards a huge pocket.

An ace isn't folding if you bet big, kings might. Also there are no draws that he can have, so you don't lose value by betting small to the riv as both you and him aren't worried about any cards, really.

just bet small but enough to get stacks in on the river. bet whatever a large pocket pair might call

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03-05-2012 , 11:49 AM

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SeaUlater

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Again, I think this is a spot where we are overestimating our equity against a huge field.

Most villains with PP are calling a smallish flop, but no one is calling the turn unless he improves his hand.

I can be greedy and squeeze in few more dollars, but our hand is really not as bulletproof as some of us think it is.

Mix in a few PP and one Ax, our equity is barely 60%, and it gets worse with more players in the hand.

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03-06-2012 , 01:08 AM

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DeucesNeverLoses

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I ended up shoving turn to protect against potential scare card rivers (A, K, Q, J, T, 9) as I felt I still had the best hand on the turn. V2 shrug called after about 10 seconds with AJ and V1 folded KK face up.

I was just curious on my bet sizing on flop/turn vs. what you guys would do. Thanks for the input.

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03-06-2012 , 03:08 AM

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zhenzhenZHEN

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yeah thought v1 had kings, not sure if you could have gotten a better result whatever you bet after v2 calls though

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