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2/2/3 AcTc: OOP a flopped royal draw + 1 over, tured a pair, hero? 2/2/3 AcTc: OOP a flopped royal draw + 1 over, tured a pair, hero?

09-21-2015 , 02:27 PM
BU ($400): Only played with Villain for about an hour (he was away from the table for about an orbit or so as well), and thus far he seems like a tight passive recreational player. Earlier when he sat down, I opened to $15 from EP, villain to my immediate left min 3bets ($200 behind), and villain 4bets and takes it down. When the guy on my left asked villain what he had, villain answers with "I've played you before" claiming he knew the guy to my left was capable of 3betting light, but i'm not sure how much truth there was to that vs he just had a hand. Overall he doesn't seem super creative, and playing mostly like a straight forward recreational player.

BB is irrelevant after the flop.

Hero ($380ish): solid winning image, haven't gotten out of line. Most of my hands have gone raise PF, c-bet and take it down post flop.

Hero opens from MP to $15, BU, and BB calls.

FLop: QJ9

Hero c-bet $30/45, BU calls, BB folds.

Turn: T

Hero? Being OOP sucks right, but what's our play? B/F? C/C?
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09-21-2015 , 03:15 PM
c/c
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09-21-2015 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pug Walker
c/c
Or c/f if he bets too big. You're OOP, your draw is obvious when it hits and you won't get paid.

I might actually c/r this flop.
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09-22-2015 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by L00t
Or c/f if he bets too big. You're OOP, your draw is obvious when it hits and you won't get paid.

I might actually c/r this flop.
How did you determine my draw is obvious? And why you might c/r flop?
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09-22-2015 , 01:04 AM
Check Calling a reasonable bet, but agree that if a club comes it becomes difficult to get value. Probably will need to lead river if you hit. Not a super great spot after that turn.
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09-22-2015 , 04:52 AM
X then look for sizing / live tell and decide whether to raise or call. Leaning towards call mostly.
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09-22-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
Check Calling a reasonable bet, but agree that if a club comes it becomes difficult to get value. Probably will need to lead river if you hit. Not a super great spot after that turn.
assuming we take a c/c line I agree with leading out on the river if we bink. It's a tough spot to be in, but doesn't hero have more Kx in his range than villain in this spot?
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09-22-2015 , 08:26 PM
bet 70 your hand has just improved, why give him the lead? I bet this all day and expect him to either fold or just call and we could decide what to do on rivers.
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09-22-2015 , 08:40 PM
Personally I'm c/c, we could easily be losing on the turn but have a chance to catch up on rivers. If I bet the turn and then got raised, it puts us in such a tough spot and ideally we want to see a river card.
Therefore, I think I'm checking, hoping for a check back by villan or a half potish bet so I can call and see a river.
However, as previously said by others it's hard to get loads of value on the river if we do catch up... it would be a scary board for opponent. So I would probably lead river and just accept that we made some money pre, on the flop and on the turn.
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09-22-2015 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sheled007
bet 70 your hand has just improved, why give him the lead? I bet this all day and expect him to either fold or just call and we could decide what to do on rivers.
What hand (that is calling the flop) has our hand improved against?
Our equity likely dropped on this turn card vs almsot his entire range.
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09-23-2015 , 11:55 AM
sorry I misread. yes Im checking.
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09-23-2015 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by saxby93
Personally I'm c/c, we could easily be losing on the turn but have a chance to catch up on rivers. If I bet the turn and then got raised, it puts us in such a tough spot and ideally we want to see a river card.
Therefore, I think I'm checking, hoping for a check back by villan or a half potish bet so I can call and see a river.
However, as previously said by others it's hard to get loads of value on the river if we do catch up... it would be a scary board for opponent. So I would probably lead river and just accept that we made some money pre, on the flop and on the turn.
If we take a c/c line how face up is our hand to AcXc? Are we ever checking AcKx on the turn or any AK for that matter?

I see the merit for checking the turn, but is betting significantly a worst option than betting?

AP hero does check the turn, but during the hand I wasn't sure what was the correct play. A week later I'm still not sure.
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09-25-2015 , 06:00 PM
Anyone else on best play on the turn ?

AP turn went c/c river is a 9

Board: QJ9T9


Hero? c/c and hope for a showdown? c/f or b/f?
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09-26-2015 , 10:36 AM
c/c turn and c/f river...can't win every hand. Don't bet turn bc you don't want to get blown off your draw if villain raises. Your hand isn't face up if you hit the club on the river....just bet it out...get paid off all the time in these spots.
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09-26-2015 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by L00t
Or c/f if he bets too big. You're OOP, your draw is obvious when it hits and you won't get paid.

I might actually c/r this flop.
c/f if you dont get odds to call. (keep in mind, HEAVILY what your implied odds might be.)
c/c obv. if you do get odds and c/f if you dont, but this is player specific, meaning its a lot dependant on implied odds and if you think opp. will pay you off if you hit

i would lean towards c/r only if bet is smaller from opp.
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09-26-2015 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
c/c turn and c/f river...can't win every hand. Don't bet turn bc you don't want to get blown off your draw if villain raises. Your hand isn't face up if you hit the club on the river....just bet it out...get paid off all the time in these spots.
+1
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09-26-2015 , 10:35 PM
Thanks for he response guys. River went c/c as well, villain veins with AQo.
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