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03-29-2015 , 06:37 PM
I was waiting for my seat to $1/3NLHE, 3 games going.
Guy before me on the list get a seat on the table i wanted to sit, he will later on be V - a middle eastern looking guy about 45, drinking.
As he sits down he bring his rack from another table and his drink.
A couple of minutes later i get a seat to his right, as i am sitting down he order a new drink and just seem gambleishy.

Hero min buy for $80 on BB looking down at AQs.
V- UTG raise to 10, 2 calls i call possibly a raise but no reads except V seem to be there to gamble.

Flop $41 Q106

Hero check, V all in for $69 fold to me.

I guess this is a snap call against this type of V?
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03-29-2015 , 06:53 PM
I'm sure you have your reasons to buy in for $80 at $1/3 table, so I'm not gonna comment on buy-in full.

As played, call.
You can also consider to move all in pre vs this villain with $30 already in the pot.
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03-29-2015 , 07:00 PM
Buy in is $80-120 i am perfectly aware it is not optimal.

Plan was to try to get it in against V on flop if i had a favorable flop i.e. top pair or flush draw.

I guess check on flop and call off were the best line, if he cbet less than all in i would've gone all in.

Not sure that's the best line though.
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03-29-2015 , 08:00 PM
When your short stacking, raise preflop and shove flop. If you raise and get reraised, move all in. With fewer then 26BB there is no reason to mess around. Your looking for a good hand to get in preflop or on flop. With dead money in the pot AQs is good enough.

As played, just shove on the flop. You don't want to let this check around and somebody hit a straight or stupid two pair, both of which are much bigger risks then having the second best hand.
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03-29-2015 , 08:06 PM
Shortstack?

No brainer shove.
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03-29-2015 , 08:11 PM
Short stack play can be fun but in general, I'd jam preflop w this hand. AQ with some dead money and fold equity is a nice combo.
As played, I like don't betting and I like check jam. Given your stack, check raise is probably fine unless you want to bet 20 and gii on the turn.
As played, yes, you call this shove all day. If he has Kk or AA or a set, nice hand but this is an excellent flop for your hand and chip stack.
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03-29-2015 , 08:28 PM
No brainer. Jam!!!

Gonna get alot **** for min buying on here. Don't listen. As a rec player. Just enjoy your time at table. Learn to play short stack effectively. You are giving up expectation (hourly winrate) but you are reducing risk if played correctly.

Preflop is a no brainer Jam. $10 is a weak open (in general without reads). To calls also shows weakness. There is $30 in pot. We risk $80 to win $30.
We have plenty of equity here to get it in.

We are only gonna flop a pair or flush draw 40% time. I don't like calling $10 then folding 60% of time, when we can go after the $30 pot right away, very good equity.
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03-29-2015 , 08:45 PM
Ok, I check called all in I guess that was one of the optimal lines as long as I got my stack in on flop.
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03-30-2015 , 12:21 AM
As a fellow short-stacker, pre IMO should be AI or fold. calling almost 13% of your stack pre is usually not a good idea. There is enough dead money there to go get.
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03-30-2015 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hkawastaken
Hero min buy for $80 on BB looking down at AQs.
V- UTG raise to 10, 2 calls i call possibly a raise but no reads except V seem to be there to gamble.

Flop $41 Q106

Hero check, V all in for $69 fold to me.

I guess this is a snap call against this type of V?
With a tipsy, gambly vill and a short stack, bang it in from the get-go. You've got max fold equity, there's dead money out there, and if he calls, you have no decisions, no worries, about post flop play.

As played, call it off and hope he didn't hit a set or queens over. If he's drawing, supplicate the Poker Gods for little cards.
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03-30-2015 , 04:27 AM
Grunch

Yes it's a snap call, although I think you still know very little about villain.

Edit: Okay I just cheated (after I wrote the part above) and read 2 responses, and before anybody else might have said this you should have just bet the flop planning to shove the turn. I'm not seeing the point of a c/r. You have 3 opponents and a board someone is likely to hit.

2nd edit: People are saying shove the flop. Is that clearly better than betting around $30-$40 on the flop and shoving the turn? I feel that $70 is scary enough to opponents that it will fold a lot of weaker hands that would call smaller bets.


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Originally Posted by hkawastaken
Ok, I check called all in I guess that was one of the optimal lines as long as I got my stack in on flop.
But this is results oriented thinking. I think checking was clearly a mistake regardless of what happened.

Last edited by Steve00007; 03-30-2015 at 04:39 AM.
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03-30-2015 , 12:10 PM
Any reason we are buying in for a lol minimum of ~27 bbs? The only reason to shortstack (imo) is if we are very unfamiliar / uncomfortable with the stakes (or just plain not very good). Otherwise, BI for the maximum, imo.

Super easy shove preflop. We're playing extremely shortstacked and there's like half our stack worth of dead money in the middle worth taking. Shortstack poker ain't about limping/calling.

As played, I probably check and hope Villain or someone else puts some dead money in the pot before I shove the rest of my stack in. And yes, snap call.

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03-30-2015 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hkawastaken
Ok, I check called all in I guess that was one of the optimal lines as long as I got my stack in on flop.
The optimal line is to shove preflop, and it's not close. You simply cannot be risking ~13% of your stack preflop by limping/calling and hoping to hit a favourable flop.

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03-30-2015 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
The optimal line is to shove preflop, and it's not close. You simply cannot be risking ~13% of your stack preflop by limping/calling and hoping to hit a favourable flop.

Gifyou'regoingtoshortstack,fine,butmakesureyouunde rstandthestrategybeforesittingatthetableG
Or just as bad (maybe worse?) let a Villain with AJ who would have stacked off pre-flop fold now on the flop after they miss.
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03-30-2015 , 03:44 PM
As played, easy call.

Agree with others, if it's a raise and two callers and you are closing out action, its a snap shove pre.
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03-30-2015 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
The optimal line is to shove preflop, and it's not close. You simply cannot be risking ~13% of your stack preflop by limping/calling and hoping to hit a favourable flop.

Gifyou'regoingtoshortstack,fine,butmakesureyouunde rstandthestrategybeforesittingatthetableG
Exactly correct, including the sign-off
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