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150bbs with AKo... How bad? 150bbs with AKo... How bad?

10-27-2013 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brow2821
Very nice post. Agree about the spazzing. At this level I would say players going crazy with KK on an A high board is like a 1000 times more likely than players with JJ/QQ spazzing on a K high board.

That being said I can't agree more about the flop raise. I'm trying to look at the bright side and take this a a teachable moment where I learned a very important $300 lesson (could have been much worse). I think if I took a little more time and really analyzed his continuing range if I flat vs his continuing range if I raise I would see that raising is terrible. I really need to take time with my decisions.

I think I get felted anyway because an Ace came on the river and I see no way I'm folding at that point (unless I can escape somehow on the turn).

Like I said very enlightening even if I had to learn by experience.
Don't look it as "How could I have gotten away, since I was beat?" but rather "how could I have maximize my profits against his whole range, including how much I win when I'm ahead and how much I lose when I'm behind?". The main problem with the raise isn't necessarily that it gets you stacked when you're behind (though that's certainly one con of raising here), since honestly that will happen a lot on this board anyway, it's that it folds out the hands you're ahead of that you could have gotten value from later in the hand (PPs you could have gotten a river value bet in against, air he could have kept firing with OTT).

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I routinely ask myself "why am I raising?". Will better* fold, or will worse call?". That usually puts me in the right mind set.
A+ advice, and something I do as well for all of my bets. In this situation, not many worse hands can continue and no better hands will fold, so don't raise.


*I added this footnote to point out that there is still some profit to be made in folding out worse hands if they have a significant amount of equity against you (either real equity or fold equity), and this small profit obviously increases with the proportion of villain's range that these hands make up.
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10-27-2013 , 12:58 PM
Yeah I agree completely. I don't think that my willingness to possibly play for stacks in this spot is my mistake... I think it was playing the hand in a way where his continuing range will have me crushed practically always. And yes, this hand really crystallizes the concept that I need to have a plan and some sort of thought process with every decision, which was not the case here.
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10-27-2013 , 01:01 PM
Flatting and fancy play so many times does not work out the way it is planned. This is why it is not recommended. And yes, if u 3 bet pre and he 4 bets large you could muck the KK fairly easily.
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