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02-26-2023 , 07:06 PM
2/5 NL Effective Stacks ~$570 (Hero)

HJ (solid TAG seems decent for the pool and can play)
BB (fish. he's gambling on basketball and drinking. overvalues hand and running good. VPIP very high etc etc)
Hero (TAG image most likely)

Hero raises 10d10c UTG to 15. HJ calls. BB completes

Flop ($40) 8c5h3s Rainbow

BB checks, I bet $20, HJ to $55. Big Blind does his thing and calls and the action is back to me.

Whats our plan?

Thanks.
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02-26-2023 , 07:16 PM
call. fold if hj keeps on putting in money. you could potentially 3b intending to fold vs hj and stack off vs bb if hj folds but i think thats too many assumptions and just way too complicated
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02-26-2023 , 07:49 PM
I’m not too happy, only hand you should really beat is 76s or maybe an overvalued A8s, but, HJ also has all the sets as well. That said, it’s a good price. You can call here with the plan to check/fold turn. The BB‘s presence in the hand should be a truth serum for HJ … if he bets, he’s got a value hand and not a bluff, because it would be suicidal to bluff into two players including the BB who is a calling station.
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02-26-2023 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
I’m not too happy, only hand you should really beat is 76s or maybe an overvalued A8s, but, HJ also has all the sets as well. That said, it’s a good price. You can call here with the plan to check/fold turn. The BB‘s presence in the hand should be a truth serum for HJ … if he bets, he’s got a value hand and not a bluff, because it would be suicidal to bluff into two players including the BB who is a calling station.
Any thoughts on 99 being in HJ range here?

I agree my range is pretty much 67s, A8s, and sets. Not sure about 99.
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02-26-2023 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MuchoGood
Any thoughts on 99 being in HJ range here?

I agree my range is pretty much 67s, A8s, and sets. Not sure about 99.
Yeah, if A8s is possible then so is 99.

Still it would an overplay on his part… if he’s truly a decent player I would discount both hands.
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02-26-2023 , 11:06 PM
I call because price is good, and I'm not, but I'm not loving it.

If he's good he knows bb is calling station and so he may well be discounting fold equity on a draw, which makes a made hand more likely.
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02-27-2023 , 03:07 PM
Pre: I would raise 4x, especially with splashy fish in BB
Flop: I would bet 75% on this board for value / protection. AP, call raise and evaluate turn. Agree with Chaos on his points regarding the turn play.
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02-27-2023 , 05:01 PM
I would check range on the flop, because equity denial doesn't work against calling stations.

If HJ is good, they have a lot more really good hands than they otherwise might in their flatting range, because they want to keep the fishy BB in the hand. They can have all the overpairs, including QQ+, They can have all the sets, yes, even 33, because the fishy BB will pay off when HJ successfully mines a set. In short, we do not have nut advantage, our range advantage is tempered by the strength of HJ's flatting range, and the pot is multiway.

It sucks to fold to this raise, so we are better off not putting ourselves in a situation where we have to. Check the flop with range.

As played, fold. hitchens97's point about bets/raises into calling stations being weighted towards value makes our hand look second best.
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02-27-2023 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
I would check range on the flop, because equity denial doesn't work against calling stations.
I can get on board with a range check just for being sandwiched. But the lower the overpair, the more it needs to bet for protection. And typically they need to bet 75% on these low boards. Even 66-77 I would bet. If you bet 50% or below and get raised, you start leveling yourself into thinking "is he raising me because I bet small and he thinks I'm trying to steal with AK or something?" Then it becomes a guessing game. Balance that out with higher PP (don't need much protection) and some AQ+ with BDFD (can improve) that are easier to check / call with OOP.
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02-27-2023 , 06:45 PM
A little gross. Is HJ putting in light raises and semi-bluffs against gambling fish.

I'm pretty skeptical but he might overplay some of his 8x or even a hand like 99, which is our main concern.

Against fish - would bet the flop larger than 1/2 psb.

Pretty normal to see a turn but think we mostly give up to a 2nd barrel.
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02-27-2023 , 10:03 PM
Turn is an 8. I keed only because this is exactly like a hand I played Saturday at 1/2 (5 dollar straddle). I was in HJ with 99 on this exact flop, PFR wound up having TT. I raised flop. Turn was an 8. If OP c/r turn that would be this hand.
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02-27-2023 , 10:35 PM
i dont see how u can range check with the bb as described. theres just no way balancing vs the hj is going to be worth more than getting in money vs the bb. tempting to raise bigger pre too in this exact position tbh
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02-27-2023 , 11:47 PM
3 bet 3/4 to whole pot. You don't have enough information. HJ probably has A8, or 2op. TT should be good here.
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