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11-13-2011 , 08:03 AM
I've read up recently to improve my knowledge and plays. New terms and concepts like AF, c-bet frequencies and playing back appropriately at a decent times.

But it seems like these concepts won't work in this table dynamics. (Although I haven't got the chance to try it)

In this particular game, alot of people go ape**** with TPGK. They will put you on draws once they got TPGK and can go all in for 200bb and more. Theres alot of showdowns. (Bluffing is not good here) Usually the fishes get to survive through suckdowns like hitting trips/2pairs on the river etc.. you know it.

Generally, TPTK, overpairs, sets and 2pairs are always good enough for stacking. Theres no need for image.

I'm not saying there's no competent players around here but why go against resistance when there's plenty of ez money.

I was happy to see this fishes and so I changed my play accordingly. I waited and waited for my turn to get them. And well, hands are slow in live games.. I got 0 sets, 0 2pairs, 1 QQ which never managed to stack over a span of 3-4hours before the fishes left.

I expected myself to win in that session but not.

I'm being result oriented.

Was my change of gameplay good? Do you have other better suggestions to busto the fishes?

Is there any methods to tell if i'm on a bad run or just playing worse and worse? Have been losing for past few live games. Low confidence now.
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11-13-2011 , 08:17 AM
First point... don't think of opponents as fish...
It's too generic and may not be true for everyone.
Look for who calls down with any pair.
Look for how each villain plays their draws.
Try to assign a pf range for each villain based on pf range.
Can they lay down top pair to pressure.

So many little details about each player that will dictate your plan for each hand.

Yes, you are being results oriented (orientated I'm never sure.)

Keep playing tight, but while you wait for cards your head should be hurting from studying each opponent.
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11-13-2011 , 08:19 AM
You dont have to have hands necessarily to win at games like this. My game that I play at is very similar to yours. Start 3betting in position with hands that you dont consider premium that can turn premium post flop. Attack limpers and take down pots preflop. When you notice someone opening a large range start to attack them and 3bet light. You will notice that when you 3bet you can bet a majority of flops and get fishes to fold putting you on really big hands. Bet a lot of ace high hands and when you get flatted expect opponent to have an ace in his hand. Bet scary boards ...you WILL know where you stand. Try not to get to showdown as a lot of my money made at the game I play is earned by doing just this.
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11-13-2011 , 08:24 AM
Hey guys. Mind if I ask what the 100NL means. I get the NL but I don't get what it means like that.
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11-13-2011 , 08:46 AM
You haven't understood the concepts you've read. It is that simple.

If you had understood them you would not question to whether they apply to your game. How do c-betting and aggression factor ever not apply to a game unless there is no flop? Concepts don't cease to exist because of the way your opponents play. The strategy you need to employ to win changes depending on your opponent, no more no less.
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11-13-2011 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FishtermerService
Try not to get to showdown as a lot of my money made at the game I play is earned by doing just this.
how do u not get to showdown if V is determined to call down
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11-13-2011 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by oNste
Hey guys. Mind if I ask what the 100NL means. I get the NL but I don't get what it means like that.
the numbers in front means the BB x 100

so 100NL means the blinds are at 0.5/1 because 100/100 = 1

another example would be.. 0.25/0.5 are known as 50NL because 0.5 x 100
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11-13-2011 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ltensail
how do u not get to showdown if V is determined to call down
3bet preflop and then bet 3/4 pot on an ace high flop? Proceed to get berated about how "Everrry damn time the ace comes out, blah blah blah"...profitsz. Fish wont call you down no matter how dertermined they are they still are reasonable thinkers. They , when faced with aggression, because turtles in their shell. I promise, i've seen it a million times. Even the fishiest ones...3betting preflop they will NOT put you on 78suited etc, and you'll get paid on a lot of ace and king and raggidy flops. Also, whos to say they arent folding preflop to a 3bet? Fish will let go of their hands preflop to a reasonable 3bet. Thisis not going to showdown and again, winning.
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11-13-2011 , 09:08 AM
Now obviously sail if you are playing a fish who is deteremined to call down no matter what, pick your spots better and try not to bluff as much . But I notice 3 bet pre in position and betting most flops you will get a LOT of folds. Also, you get HUGEEE pots with GREAT hands if these fish can not fold, so take advantage of that. You should be ecstatic that fish aren't folding to you.
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11-13-2011 , 09:18 AM
Cheers itensail! So if I am understanding this. A .01/.02 NL game would be 2NL?
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11-13-2011 , 10:34 AM
fishtermerservice, thanks.

I realize the benefits of abusing 3bet now.

But what if your cbet have been called OTF?

Assuming you have 3bet pre and flop is KJ8r and you are holding 76s. And this is the second time you have 3bet V.

First one, he fold OTF. Would you shut down on the turn?
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11-13-2011 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ltensail
fishtermerservice, thanks.

I realize the benefits of abusing 3bet now.

But what if your cbet have been called OTF?

Assuming you have 3bet pre and flop is KJ8r and you are holding 76s. And this is the second time you have 3bet V.

First one, he fold OTF. Would you shut down on the turn?
Tricky situation and villain depedant. Now as a standard after a 3bet on a board like KJ8r I might stab at it once, kinda a crappy spot obviously with 76s on that flop. There aren't many turn cards that are going to improve our hand besides a 5. Depending on villain I stab here and take down a significant amount of times and hmmm the turn is going to be tricky. I think if someone calls on this flop we cant find many turn cards to fire at and we can see shutting down. Good thing most the time they will fold the flop...I just hate flops like that because peoples 3bet calling range pre is that flop right there. We can get AQ to fold, Tens to fold, Queens to fold (villain dependent)....as long as we haven't shown one of our 3bet hands to villain I think we'll get credit for a good hand by making a healthy 1/2 - 3/7 size pot bet on this flop. They will let us know where we stand almost always
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11-13-2011 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
You haven't understood the concepts you've read. It is that simple.

If you had understood them you would not question to whether they apply to your game. How do c-betting and aggression factor ever not apply to a game unless there is no flop? Concepts don't cease to exist because of the way your opponents play. The strategy you need to employ to win changes depending on your opponent, no more no less.
i guess im a very bad player
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11-13-2011 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
You haven't understood the concepts you've read. It is that simple.

If you had understood them you would not question to whether they apply to your game. How do c-betting and aggression factor ever not apply to a game unless there is no flop? Concepts don't cease to exist because of the way your opponents play. The strategy you need to employ to win changes depending on your opponent, no more no less.
This is the only response you need here, IMO.
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11-13-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ltensail
i guess im a very bad player
Don't get a negative mindset from the beginning, everyone has to start somewhere. Keep practicing and things will come easier with time.
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