figured it was time to dust off the cobwebs of my 2p2 usage and post a hand.

I've been in this game for a couple hours. I'm prob viewed as tricky TAG as I haven't been in too many pots and have had very few showdowns but have mixed in a fair amount of 3betting. This is all pretty irrel though as villain 1 is most likely oblivous to this as he's an elderly persian man who is stuck and getting tired as we near midnight and villain 2 is a reg who is literally ALWAYS playing whenever I'm there but I've never actually played with him and he sat down around an orbit ago. I'm pretty sure he's a winner in the game but don't really know much more aside from that. Also fwiw he just sat down but not to start his session he table changed from another game.

villain 1 (3k)
hero (3300): KK
villain 2 covers


preflop 4 limpers to me in the CO and open for $120 and 3 limpers call.

flop ($500) KJ4
3 checks, hero bets $290, 1 fold, villain 1 calls, villain 2 raises to $1190. hero?

Interested on hearing if anyone advocates flatting and getting it in on non-diamond turns to try and entice villain 1 to stick in another 900. Also def worth noting that I ended up announcing all in and just stuck out 900 but didn't actually shove in the rest and villain 1 didn't know that I said all in and grabbed 900 and put it in before the dealer told him I was all in so he's def calling if I flat.

I think your preflop raise is a bit on the small side.
I'd just ship the flop here though cause this check/raiser is likely never folding. calling is fps imo.

too many bad cards which can come on the turn... i defo ship here...

Ship it

If it was just a rainbow K J 4 board maybe, or if it was like a Kd 7d 4 board I could see cause. But as it is just get it in, not even necessarily because you're afraid of getting outdrawn but because of action-killing turn cards.

The EV difference between shoving and flatting seems like it would be really small in this spot. I think you get it in on almost every turn anyways, so flatting just seems like it prolongs the hand. I don't think there's a single turn you can fold and there are very few villain can fold but you might not stack 44 or KJ if a diamond rolls off so just SHIP

All in, then try not to let a or a straight card come. Hopefully you just cold-decked V2 though and V1 folds the draw.

Ship it. Check your hole cards first, like you're checking for diamonds. :-)

This is live poker, and you only get dealt one or maybe two sets per session. Play them fast every time.

Also, don't discount the equity you might lose if a diamond hits -- especially a broadway diamond - on the turn and freezes up KJ.

If you call you might win an extra 900 but you could be risking an additional six cards twice (if V1 is on OESD) that could beat you. If you shove and V1 folds you only have to dodge one villain. If V1 calls you have a bigger pot to win. I shove.

if board is KJ4r i would flat but with dimes its too drawy and too many turns suck..shovel

I hate to be a parrot, but shipping is the only way I'd ever play this with given action and stack sizes.

Hey J!

You know I'm gonna say ship it as well. Hope it worked out for ya, and I'm glad to see you mixing it up in the 10/20 games.

Best of luck, and cya soon.

Would you flat call the raise to trap, or to see a safe turn? Haha -- you're never folding so just ship it. The raise to 1190 looks like he's trying to commit himself anyway, so oblige. Hopefully he has JJJ and not QTdd.

I might be screwing up left right and center these days, but in your spot I'm first checking my cards 1) so they think it could be the diamond, and 2) because I'm so shocked I flopped the stone nitties.
How to play flop from here:
1) Shoving,
2) Followed by fistpumping, and dancing around the table when either of them calls.
3) Followed by puking when Qd/10d felts us.

I'm expecting an LAPC appearance out of you. Give the regular crew a break out there in CT!


Guys I did end up shipping but am kinda surprised nobody even made a case for flatting to get v1 to stick in another 900. I think it's pretty clear that v2 is obv not c/r folding to my shove on the flop. Based on the fact that I'd only have about 1800 more with already 3kish in the pot there's no way v2 is ever getting away from the hand regardless (i guess mayyybe if i flatted and like the A peeled the turn he could fold whatever made hand he was c/r the flop with. Seeing as i have 2 blockers to any made hands that he's c/r with I would think that his range his pretty heavily skewed towards draws. With that said if we're planning on getting it in anyway then why not try and trap the v1 in with whatever he's got for at least another 900? Because I only have 1800 left my hand is never getting folded at any point in this hand. Yeah it would suck if i flat and v1 calls and a diamond peels but was more looking for EV calculations on the equity gained/lost by trapping v1.

I'm pretty sure it's more +EV to make v1 fold 65 than keep him in and letting him win the main pot relatively cheaply.

If you know for sure that has KQ then obv it's different but when you have top set he pretty much has all draws, and v2 obv isn't raising that big to fold so easy ship.

I advocate slowplaying more than most but I'm pretty sure not shipping is pretty bad here.

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Ship it on flop.

BTW if anyone wants to talk 10/20 and 5/10 NL strategy or do some kind of study group contact me on Skype: jjfootball2009