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05-07-2014 , 02:22 AM
hero young asian can be LAG but prob played tighter at 10/20 than at 5/10
$2400

V1 50s hispanic plays many hands pre from all positions, can get aggressive and spewy
$1600

V2 mid-late 20's armenian haven't played with him before, sat down recently, seems to play more hands than others, seems to be the flashy type
$2500


Hero raises UTG Qs9s $70
V1 calls UTG+1
V2 calls OTB
blinds fold

Flop $240
Kc 5s 6s

Hero c-bets $130
2 calls

Turn $660
2s
Hero checks
I've seen V1 spazz out with 1 pair hands (even with top pair medium kicker) when checked to when scare card hits
V1 checks (damn)
V2 bets $350
Hero calls
V1 folds

River $1360
9h
Hero checks
V2 bets $550
Hero shoves $1850

Thoughts on all streets appreciated (except "don't play q9s utg/fold pre"
i'm not opening there 100% of the time)

Is this a call/raise less instead of a shove here?
i felt my hand was pretty under-repped and he can call me with a lot wider range - i thought flatting was leaving a lot of money on the table. i checked river instead of betting since if he was bluffing OTT i want him to continue OTR
maybe it's ok if i don't mind the variance? idk
forgive me if standard, this hand had me thinking


also stupid hand that had me thinking:
5/10
mid-20's asian opens CO $70 (lol 7x) no reads
Hero raises to $220 BTN with AKs
Folds to CO who puts in all his white chips $1200 (he goes all-in for $1700)
Hero calls? (because sane people don't open 7x with KK/AA do they?)
idk

Last edited by jlocdog; 05-07-2014 at 12:38 PM.
05-07-2014 , 02:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boyrico
hero young asian can be LAG but prob played tighter at 10/20 than at 5/10
$2400

V1 50s hispanic plays many hands pre from all positions, can get aggressive and spewy
$1600

V2 mid-late 20's armenian haven't played with him before, sat down recently, seems to play more hands than others, seems to be the flashy type
$2500


Hero raises UTG Qs9s $70
V1 calls UTG+1
V2 calls OTB
blinds fold

Flop $240
Kc 5s 6s

Hero c-bets $130
2 calls

Turn $660
2s
Hero checks
I've seen V1 spazz out with 1 pair hands (even with top pair medium kicker) when checked to when scare card hits
V1 checks (damn)
V2 bets $350
Hero calls
V1 folds

River $1360
9h
Hero checks
V2 bets $550
Hero shoves $1850

Thoughts on all streets appreciated (except "don't play q9s utg/fold pre"
i'm not opening there 100% of the time)

Is this a call/raise less instead of a shove here?
i felt my hand was pretty under-repped and he can call me with a lot wider range - i thought flatting was leaving a lot of money on the table. i checked river instead of betting since if he was bluffing OTT i want him to continue OTR
maybe it's ok if i don't mind the variance? idk
forgive me if standard, this hand had me thinking


also stupid hand that had me thinking:
5/10
mid-20's asian opens CO $70 (lol 7x) no reads
Hero raises to $220 BTN with AKs
Folds to CO who puts in all his white chips $1200 (he goes all-in for $1700)
Hero calls? (because sane people don't open 7x with KK/AA do they?)
idk
i think you played hand 1 fine ur turn ck after betting flop should get you paid off lightly on river w/ ur ck/raise it just happened that he had nut flush. you really only lose to nut flush honestly since i would imagine ppl of this description raise flop more often w/ Khi flush draw since K was not a spade. since any flush isn't folding and you only really lose to A high flush ya river is def a c/shove.

hand 2 ya id do the same id get it in here and be happy about it.

Last edited by jlocdog; 05-07-2014 at 12:39 PM.
05-07-2014 , 02:48 AM
Seems standard to me although I think I fold ak pre although it is pretty close.
05-07-2014 , 08:00 AM
pre flop is fine imo.

i like the check on the turn but i hate the shove on the river. this seems like a spot where we only get called by better...
05-07-2014 , 08:01 AM
also, don't post results in the original post because you get a lot of results oriented opinions and its tough to accurately tell how we would play the hand know the results.
05-07-2014 , 08:41 AM
C/r on river in hand 1 maybe ok depending on your image. If you're truly lag then it's probably fine but there's plenty of villains I snap muck second nuts in situations like that.

Hand 2 have you seen this villain open any other hands? Sizing? I generally see people open to large amounts with hands they don't want to see a flop with like 77-JJ but until you confirm this at the table you're better off flatting pre IMO.
05-07-2014 , 11:30 AM
Y did u open q9? Were u balancing yor UTG opening range or something? Y did u choose that hand? Was it necessary/+ev in any way?

Obv flush/flush is cooler, esp when u don't rep many.

Hand 2 I'd snap call the shove or not 3bet, rarely the latter.
05-07-2014 , 11:51 AM
Fold pre. Bet turn. Call river as played unless you think he will pay you off with <flush.

Hand 2: 3bet with a plan or call.
05-07-2014 , 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
pre flop is fine imo.

i like the check on the turn but i hate the shove on the river. this seems like a spot where we only get called by better...
i felt my hand is pretty under-repped as i x/c turn and check river
he could definitely call me with lower flushes maybe some sets

Quote:
Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
also, don't post results in the original post because you get a lot of results oriented opinions and its tough to accurately tell how we would play the hand know the results.
i felt it was pretty obvious what the results were as i wouldn't post this if he called and i won

Quote:
Originally Posted by diskoteque
C/r on river in hand 1 maybe ok depending on your image. If you're truly lag then it's probably fine but there's plenty of villains I snap muck second nuts in situations like that.

Hand 2 have you seen this villain open any other hands? Sizing? I generally see people open to large amounts with hands they don't want to see a flop with like 77-JJ but until you confirm this at the table you're better off flatting pre IMO.
i'm young and asian at 10/20, isn't that a lag image enough? lol

hand 2 there were no reads at all, he just came from a broken game
i was pretty confident he had something like JJ, i've seen live players open 7x with hands like these where they don't necessarily want to see a flop

i was pretty surprised by his 7x open but AKs flatting on the button (by young asian lag) seemed like such a weak play..
05-07-2014 , 01:38 PM
I don't really like c/r river in hand 1 because you say you want him to keep bluffing; in this sense he will just snap fold (bluffs) to your ship and he will snap call (with flushes), 2 of which you lose to.

I just c/c river.

Hand 2 is super standard lol
05-07-2014 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cstevens
i think you played hand 1 fine ur turn ck after betting flop should get you paid off lightly on river w/ ur ck/raise it just happened that he had nut flush. you really only lose to nut flush honestly since i would imagine ppl of this description raise flop more often w/ Khi flush draw since K was not a spade. since any flush isn't folding and you only really lose to A high flush ya river is def a c/shove.

hand 2 ya id do the same id get it in here and be happy about it.
editted by jlocdog? wtf? lol


he showed up with Ks4s
rofl kill me

yeah i can't convince myself that this isn't a check shove since any flush most likely isn't folding
this spot was from a few days ago, just had me thinking, probably being results-oriented
05-07-2014 , 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGAF
Y did u open q9? Were u balancing yor UTG opening range or something? Y did u choose that hand? Was it necessary/+ev in any way?

Obv flush/flush is cooler, esp when u don't rep many.

Hand 2 I'd snap call the shove or not 3bet, rarely the latter.
it was soooooted
i had been playing tighter than usual and i looked down at a pretty hand and decided to open
yes, i lack discipline.
05-07-2014 , 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Fold pre. Bet turn. Call river as played unless you think he will pay you off with <flush.

Hand 2: 3bet with a plan or call.
i stated my reason for not betting turn OOP
as played i'm def confident he will pay me off with worse given my line

hand 2
i def play with a plan but i don't usually plan on getting 4b shoved on 180bb's pre
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