Full ring 10/20 NL

Pre and Flop:
V1 opens to $80 in MP, V2 calls button, we call in BB with QJss. 3 way flop, QJ9ddc. V1 cbets $180, button raises to $480. We? Our stack size is 6K, both villains cover with over 10K. Assume all players involved are competent regs, although villains are definitely more aggressive than hero, both pre and post.

Turn:
Hero calls $480 flop raise, heads up turn with V2, Ts. So now the board reads QJ9ddcTs. Hero check calls button's $660.

River:
4d, completes flush. Board now reads QJ9ddcTs4d. Hero bets $1600, V2 tank folds.

I thought I played the hand well (obviously since I won ), but after talking to a couple of friends, I think I might have botched it pretty badly and just kind of got lucky. I think the biggest issues are on the flop and river; the turn decision in this case was relatively easy due to the small bet. One friend said there should be basically no hands with which we cold call the flop raise. I'm not sure how I feel about that given how deep we are. Also, how would your decisions change if the effective stack size were 10K? What if we had a backdoor flush draw on the flop? Comments on all streets welcome. Thanks in advance for your help.

I think you had the best hand/he turned 2 pair. I like your line up until river tho. I prob bet like 800 on river. He doesn't bet turn with a set. He doesn't fold a straight on the river (ime).

Thanks. I bet big on river to fold out sets and straights. I think my line is consistent with a big draw and the run out is especially good to rep, particularly given his small turn bet (so I could easily call with all draws). At the time, I thought a big bet was needed to get him to fold all hands that beat me, also there is some chance I might get called by worse, although that's probably too optimistic. I hope he folds straights often enough, otherwise prob just have to check river.

I think V flopped a straight and made a terrible river fold. I don't think your hand looks like a flush draw at all if you flat large flop raise out of position but your river bet confounded him enough that he folded

ehhh the only hands op can be bluffing with are top 2 and sets pretty much so folding a straight seems pretty reasonable to me.

fold flop, fold turn, c/f river

True that is less likely for people to turn those hands into a bluff like OP did but would it be reasonable for V to fold a 10-high flush? Isn't the same as folding a straight here?

If I'm ever considering turning top two into a bluff there's a pretty good chance I should have folded earlier in the hand..

Really hate calling the flop. Such a bad spot this deep and not closing the action so I just fold.

Also, lead flop is a lot better than check/coldcalling imo

Agree with you for the most part. My plan was to check call on a lot of run outs because V1 cbets a ton and rarely shuts down, but V2's raise caught me off guard.

gtfo

really don't like c/c flop line. i'm donking here.

turn call is good

on river it really depends on whether you think he'll fold a straight or not (even though i think it's more likely he has 2p). i know some people who will never fold straights in this spot.

A friend suggested cold 3betting flop to 1700isb, fold to a shove, if called, stuff brick turns and check fold to scare turn shoves. What do you guys think about that line?

I'm not entirely convinced donking flop is best. I expected the hand to continue heads up without V2. If it had been a heads up pot with V1, I would be check calling flop. Donking in this case would have been better because it would have helped to narrow down ranges and we wouldn't be in a spot where we have to make a potentially big decision without having invested much in the pot. Will think more about it.

Also an added benefit to the river bet is we could fold out the same two pair or get hero called by worse.

Thanks for your help guys!

If you think button is likely to call his draws and shove flop with a straight, then this seems like a good line to me.

another reason to donk is to avoid this being checked around. PFR is going to check this flop a high % of the time.

Raise folding flop is not a good play at all

I like lead on flop usually, but if you check, to induce v1 who loves to cbet, assuming v2 knows this too then it seems like an easy 1280 and fold to shove. If you get a read that v2 is strong then fold flop(assy raise so I wouldn't). I'd much rather cold call with a set or t8dd type hand. I also don't think you play a big draw like this that often- ur getting that sit in. As played I'm not folding turn. And river decision comes down to what you think he expects you to do. Seems like you usually have a made hand so repping a flush wouldn't make much sense to me. Makes sense you bet cause something got there and you gonna rep it. I guess I'm just gonna check, but how can u win if u check!!

i think turn is pretty player dependent and i could go either way. i don't really understand the river donk though. seems like a pretty straightforward check/decide.

im check calling this flop every single time. the only thing i like about donking in this situation is the tough decision preflop raiser has to make having the button still to act behind

he obviously has little to no showdown value and is turning his hand into a bluff

I like leading flop..

390 preflop

as played fold flop