villain is a 25 yo asian. he is wearing rags and his mannerism is a bit awkward, so i assume he is a poker player, possibly with an online past.

i am a 30yo white guy. i moved seats to get better position, so villain might've noticed that. i don't think i was out of line in the hour that villain has been at the table, and i was pretty card dead so playing maybe 20% of hands.

he 3bet me right as he sat down, i called, and he c/f a rag flop. this is an hour later; he has probably played like 4 hands in the hour and never put in any money after the flop.

eff stacks 5k.

villain limps utg, hero raises cutoff to 80 with JJ, villain raises to 300, hero calls.

flop (600) TT2r. villain checks, hero?

def check

Never assume someone has an "online past" in a live game, especially if that makes you think he is a really good player. It's a huge mistake to give people credit until they prove to be worthy of it.

Check here. What is the turn?

Sounds like the type of opponent who may check QQ+ on this flop

I am not putting strong faith in this read, but at the same time it is noteworthy that a 25 year old that does not seem to be good with people sits down at a poker table with 5k. If this was a 60 year old who carefully stacked chips, I would fold pre (because I have no reason to think that he would stack off when I flop sets).


I guess we are all in agreement here (was curious if anyone bets).

eff stacks 5k.

villain limps utg, hero raises cutoff to 80 with JJ, villain raises to 300, hero calls.

flop (600) TT2r. villain checks, hero checks.
turn (600) K with a flush draw possible. villain checks, hero checks.
river (600) 5r. villain bets 400, hero?

I don't think I would fold preflop against any player type 5k deep.

I don't hate betting small to take initiative (see a free river) and protect against hands like AK. Checking is ok too.

I'm seeing if he wants to play for it.

^youre sick

In all seriousness, bet 350.

I like a bet OTF, for reasons MM mentioned value/protection, checking flop is a secondary option IMO.

If you bet your hand's kinda face up, because he probably wouldn't expect you to bet Ahi/Khi here.

I'm either checking, or I'm bombing it at least $480+ and if he calls and checks the turn I'm firing again... most of the time he should be cbetting AA/KK and probably QQ, and only with AA does he have a real good reason to c/c flop so if he checks turn his hand is face-up and a big bet should force a fold from most of his range.

I think the worst thing you can do, is bet $300-350.. he's going to think with his JJ-KK that he can call and lead turn and put you in a real tough spot IMO.. and if he's sick he could even be doing that with 99.

350/pot/pot

are you guys advocating a huge bluff or a super thin value line? Both ideas seem insane

When you check are you waiting for A/K/Q to fall that hit his range? OTF it's hard to get calls from worse but your hand is vulnerable to overs that are very much in his range. So I would bet small, maybe 1/2 pot.

AP river's a snapcall.

Bet flop. You don't have to bet big, $300 is good. It protects your equity, makes villain play more straightforward, etc. problem with checking is you don't know if villain will barrel with air now that you showed weakness. And you give him a free card

Villain isn't checking the flop with air
Live players don't raise pre, check flop and barrel off as bluffs

I think his most likely hand is KK.

ok...?

I'm betting. Free cards aren't good for your hand.

3 barrel ainec

It's not that thin in my opinion.

can someone give reasons for this? right now i think this is total spew, but i am open to being persuaded otherwise.

i agree he folds most of his range to a double barrel, but the parts of his range that call are almost exactly the parts that have us beat. if i have J9s or AK here, i am barreling off a lot. with JJ i am not sure that is the most profitable option.

What % of the time does this player type stack off 5k here with overpair?

He's pretty capped at at overpair, and we are not. It's also pretty impossible for him to think he's underrepped.

Punish the pf play imo.

You can really count on a lot of villains to fold to three big barrels here with AA once they check the flop? After a lot of failed attempts, I assume they are doing it for i think i'm pot controlling/but i also think i'm trapping/i ultimately hope they don't have a ten but i'm calling all bets because i have aces and tricked everyone/whatever even goes on in a fishes head sort of reasons.

I'd just check all streets and fold river thanking him for two extra free streets to try and bink, but maybe I'm on that weak tight scale

villain isn't described as a fish. barreling off against a fish is mediocre at best. villain is young pro (prob way underrrolled) and he hasn't put any money in after the flop (including after he 3bet pre)--> nit.

he just doesn't stack off against op here with AA, it's that simple.