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10-11-2010 , 05:31 PM

Watermelons8

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 453

Eff. Stacks ~3500
One limper to me in CO I 60 w/AsKs villain calls SB, BB and limper call.
Pot~240 Flop Kx6c3c villain lead 120, others fold, I 360 he 850, I call
Pot~1940 Turn 6 He 850 I call
Pot-3640 River is an offsuit ace, he shoves for ~1700

No comments on pre please, I didn't see the limper, else I woulda made it more. Info on villain is that he's one of the biggest winners in this game over the past year, very looose pre, he's aggro but while he's certainly capable of making huge bluffs, he usually has it in the big pots, he also v-bets very thin.

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10-11-2010 , 07:17 PM

jrogstr

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34

As hard as it is, given your description of villain, this feels like a difficult laydown. He's repping KK, 66 or 33. Likely not turning missed club draw into a bluff (if so, kudos on the line). He's clearly dead-on crediting you for a K and his actions say I can beat that. Seems like you need to soul read on river.

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10-11-2010 , 07:54 PM

superxll

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 30

raise on the flop and re-evaluate your hands if get cold call or reraise.
as played, fold to raise on the flop>fold turn>call river> fold river.

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10-11-2010 , 08:48 PM

DGAF

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,114

I don't like raising a good lag, heads up, in position, this deep, on this flop with your hand. Flatting is much better imo because it let's you pot control and under-rep your hand. Nothing wrong with just calling 3 times/betting if he ever checks to you.

As played, I think a hero fold is in order. He knows what you have and he knows you are getting 3 to 1= he's not bluffing/he cold-decked you...

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10-12-2010 , 01:00 PM

AintNoLimit

Coach live/online NLHE

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,399

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Originally Posted by DGAF

I don't like raising a good lag, heads up, in position, this deep, on this flop with your hand. Flatting is much better imo because it let's you pot control and under-rep your hand. Nothing wrong with just calling 3 times/betting if he ever checks to you.

As played, I think a hero fold is in order. He knows what you have and he knows you are getting 3 to 1= he's not bluffing/he cold-decked you...

MY thoughts exactly here. As played im thinking you are behind or very occasionally on a weird chop if he ever gets tricky like that with AK.

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10-13-2010 , 12:09 AM

superxll

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 30

oops, misread the hand.... thought someone leads, you called and villain raised on flop.

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10-13-2010 , 05:39 AM

skizzik

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 305

as played, fold to raise on the flop>fold turn>call river> fold river.

+1

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10-13-2010 , 03:15 PM

br3nt00

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,664

so hes reppin 33 exactly?

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10-13-2010 , 03:18 PM

Watermelons8

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 453

and 66 and K6s but yeah, it's a really narrow range. The problem is that he definitely knows this.

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10-13-2010 , 05:33 PM

#10

djkelly69

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,599

i just close my eyes and click call three times.
as played, i would fold river and berate myself for making this pot so big.

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10-13-2010 , 06:59 PM

#11

Princess Azula

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 653

To fold we would have to but the villain on exactly a FH?

Taking out KK...

{33, 66, 36s, K6s} ~8 combos (depending on suit of turn).

That is a very narrow range. Hero only needs to win 25% of the time.

Are there 3 combos out there that hero beats? If so it's a call...

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10-14-2010 , 05:34 PM

#12

DGAF

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,114

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Originally Posted by Princess Azula

Sometimes they just have it. This guy "has it" here way more than 75% of the time...

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10-15-2010 , 04:00 AM

#13

jrr63

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,465

He is representing a narrow range, and I'd say it's really two hands, 3-3 and K-6 you worry about. He has to give you AK as a big part of your range and if you think that he thinks you'd call with AK he's beating that even if he thinks he's going for "thin value". You really only beat a bluff.

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10-15-2010 , 10:47 AM

#14

DGAF

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,114

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Originally Posted by jrr63

You really only beat a bluff.

Yeah, and this...

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Originally Posted by Watermelons8

Info on villain is that he's one of the biggest winners in this game over the past year.

...is why he isn't 4-barrelling/sending in a half pot-sized river bet as a bluff (against what really looks like AK) enough for hero to call.

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10-15-2010 , 06:29 PM

#15

SecondChance

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 974

Call, no such thing as a good LAG..they're all spewmonkeys

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