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11-24-2011 , 05:49 AM
Would our action change if we had the 7s blocker?
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11-24-2011 , 01:04 PM
Def agree that bet/folding is not a good option since we rarely have a 6 in our hand and a 6 is definitely in his range. Agree with previous poster that folding won't encourage villian to run you over because he doesn't know what you have.

One thing I find confusing is those who say that AA is a call but 77 is a fold. What's the difference here? He's repping a draw or a 6 so AA and 77 is pretty much the same thing. In fact, if you hold the A that's in his flush draw range that weights his hands even more towards a 6. I think AA is a fold as well with no further reads, history, etc.

Is that crazy?
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11-24-2011 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin58
Def agree that bet/folding is not a good option since we rarely have a 6 in our hand and a 6 is definitely in his range. Agree with previous poster that folding won't encourage villian to run you over because he doesn't know what you have.

One thing I find confusing is those who say that AA is a call but 77 is a fold. What's the difference here? He's repping a draw or a 6 so AA and 77 is pretty much the same thing. In fact, if you hold the A that's in his flush draw range that weights his hands even more towards a 6. I think AA is a fold as well with no further reads, history, etc.

Is that crazy?
no AA and 77 are not the same. he can be value raising overpairs here as well. also, there are no overcards that could pair him on the turn with AA. AA is way ahead of flush draws where 77 is 50/50.
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11-24-2011 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin58
Def agree that bet/folding is not a good option since we rarely have a 6 in our hand and a 6 is definitely in his range. Agree with previous poster that folding won't encourage villian to run you over because he doesn't know what you have.

One thing I find confusing is those who say that AA is a call but 77 is a fold. What's the difference here? He's repping a draw or a 6 so AA and 77 is pretty much the same thing. In fact, if you hold the A that's in his flush draw range that weights his hands even more towards a 6. I think AA is a fold as well with no further reads, history, etc.

Is that crazy?
yes, it is. all I have to do is raise your flop cbet and you fold? printing press.

and AA is a lot different than 77 because when the turn comes J,Q,K or whatever and he keeps firing, he might be value betting a turned pair or he might be bluffing it. with AA it's an easy call, with 77 you're guessing whether it's a vbet or a bluff.
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11-25-2011 , 02:57 AM
3betting was rly the worst thing you coulda done here. I said that no good villain would fold to your 3bet because you rep nothing and literally everyone said if they had AA or a 6 they would flat the flop because that's just what you do in this spot. If villain knew this it wouldn't surprise me if he shipped any draw/pair on you.
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11-25-2011 , 09:25 AM
Once again you don't know what I have so raising my cbet and having me fold is not a big deal unless I'm consistently folding to every flop raise you make. And in live poker we're not getting into this situation consistently enough for it to be relevant.

Ran some stove calcs on AA and 77 vs his range as well and agree with responses depending on the opponent (i.e. some will never play a draw aggressively live):

Here's how AA with the A of spades does against the following range 73% equity: 3 combos of QQ, 3 combos of JJ, 66, 33, A6s, 68s, 67s, 56s, 45 (spades), KQ, QJ, JT,9T (spades)

7d7c: 47% equity
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11-26-2011 , 12:13 PM
with 77, i would bet/fold flop always. your going to be in a really tough spot later on in the hand. if you have AA, i would bet/call flop, check/jam brick turn. if the turn is a spade/7/2(i think you said the flop was 366ss) i'm probably check/folding. most players i don't think will raise 45 here, so maybe still check/jam on those turns as well.
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