I agree that he doesnt want you in the pot at all, and just wants to flip with the shorty here.

Would have been totally bummed if you didnt trust your read and had folded.

Not a dis. It was just a read.

Help me with one thing that has me confused. If nobody ever does anything fast with a big hand, then how can he also rule out you having a big hand because you stop to think? Isn't that really what Hollywooding is? I mean, if you posted this from villains side and described facing a tank tank tank ALLIN in a protected pot, I expect nearly everyone would say that's strong af.

Because I completed then flatted without knowing the action would be re-opened. Too risky with a huge hand because V2 has a trillion hands he is folding.

Anyways, when people have huge hands they pretend to think for a few seconds and then they look at the dealer and announce "all in" with a serious face/maybe as a question lol. Outright tanking with a huge hand/no real decision will kill your rep and your action moving forward. I took maybe 2 minutes here (because I was tired/I am poor). Everyone knows I wouldn't Hollywood like that.

Note: it's perfectly fine imo to do the funny/standard think for a few seconds and then look at the dealer all in thing with a bluff. Quick reverse tells are as much as I (or any other good lol live pro) will Hollywood.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with taking a capped weak range and shoving 200 bb into a strong uncapped range?

No. That seems like a problem to me too.

He can just safely remove the top x% of your range and make some easy decisions if you decide not to fold.

Also thanks for the live read of asking all in like a question that's solid have heard that Tons and think its prty reliable

realistically though dgaf you can't make threads like this and expect meaningful responses. way too much depends on game flow/live reads/pace/etc which can't be expressed over a forum thread.

Well personally I'd probably fold or ship. I don't like flatting there with that hand hoping to hit the flop with a lot of money behind.

But I'd need to think I had some reasonable shot at folding out V-2 with a ship. As you point out your relatively long tank would not make me (or likely him) put you on a big hand. However if V2 happened to be very polarized with his 4 bet, and he had the lower part of that kind of range in this spot, a ship still could fold him out (or if not give you a reasonable chance to win).

I think what you are saying in a sense is true but in a way he did get some meaningful responses. He got the general impression that we are all not willing to play chicken for 8k. The hand is an example of how we can use subtle live poker reads to make some pretty bold plays. He is willing to push this and that's what makes him the beast that he is.

Dgaf, I think we have heard from the population by now. Tell us your basic thoughts and what happened and if you learned anything from this and what we should learn.

Yep, time for the denouement I'd say. Assume you shipped, so how did it work out?

My read is that Villain is Hero in this hand.

Please keep these thoughts to yourself sir, it will mess up our prop bets.

Fair enough. I tried to provide that stuff and thought I did, but you prob are right given how far away I am from everyone. I just was perplexed in the moment and wanted to see what people thought about villain's timing and sizing (while buried 20k) and how they would react to it?

Point taken though/I agree.

Ok, money riding on this. Results please.

Ahh, I was just about to post that villain had KK so I could catch some more flames (I woke up in the mood lol), but since you put it so nicely...

This guy is no chicken. He has heart. He won't snap make it huge with huge hands because he's afraid of getting sucked out on or whatever like some nits will. He would want value/to try to get unstuck a little. So I thought he was weak as mentioned. The other guy had a decent hand to go all in, but overall I was close to flipping with his range I thought- he would prob open raise AT+ TT+ a big % of the time after I complete.

The all in guy had 77 and the other guy folded.

edit: yes I shipped

fyp if my read is right, and lol at this being a reverse post.

What are your thoughts on main Villains play?

https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

On second thought...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToPRDDPN4xg

LOL at my hubris thinking this was some marginal 1bb ev spot. How can he fold even like KJo there for those odds? The edges that are possible in live continually boggle my mind, it doesn't matter how much I play it.

I doubt he'd fold KJ off in that spot. Just rags I guess. DGAF had more fold equity than I thought he'd probably have in that situation

That's because we can't fathom how someone could make such an enormous error. I mean, seriously, who decides to put in a 74BB (4bet lol) raise and fold for 126BB more getting 2.4:1

So V2 said he's been beating poker for 27 years. In DGAF's thread he mentioned he doesn't know many (any?) players who are 10+ year successful pros. Being an OMC I actually know a very few who have been in the game for 27 years - hope it wasn't one of them I'd assume they've lost it.

i pretty sure you misinterpreted what he was implying in the op.

Almost positive he has business/income generators on the side (smart!). So I don't know if you call him a pro or a semi pro. No idea if he really has won all 27 years, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't win now.

I mean his sizing the first time around was bad, but not super easy to exploit (because he's deep and in position and not 100% light). And then the second time around if he can get me out of the pot he's getting 4 to 1 against a small pp heavy range. He almost got me out, he just didn't take his time/think about his bad sizing to 440. Either way, I'm pretty sure almost every response was "lol fold you idiot" to me before the results were posted. So his play wasn't terrible, it was just a quick thinking double squeeze that blew up in his face for maybe the first time ever.

And his fold was fine if he had complete garbage OR no more money to play with that day.

I like playing him hu because I read him well. But I've seen some of the young superstars people love to nut swing on be like, "Nah, you play him" when he's challenging the whole casino to hu.

Also, we all have bad days and bad stretches and bad hands. I know I'd like to have a piece of him overall.