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02-26-2015 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Everest17
let's say you flat and board comes something like 952r and villain proceeds to barrel and turn does not bring any scare cards and villain barrels again, at what point are you thinking villain may have an overpair/set?
Calling flop. Eval turn. I would continue if he sizes turn poorly. Also, most 1/2 players arnt barreling a ton. So we can find a fold.
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02-26-2015 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
Fold. You have no read on your opponent so post flop will be guessing what's going on if you don't flop a set. Blinds could three bet and it's a massive open. Your only read is a very general loose passive table, which again, doesn't bode well for your hand.
Almost never folding 10/10 here. Only if he is super nit. We have set mine value. A very strong hand, that plays well postflop. We have position.

At 30 hands an hr. Giving up a strong hand on button to a single raise is a leak.
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02-26-2015 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
If it goes 4 ways. With 2 Broadway cards. This would be easiest fold ever.
Of course.
But that is the value of 3betting to get it heads up assuming the right table dynamic and villain.

If you flat, there is going to be at least one overcard 70% of the time. If it's multiway, then you are doing little more than setmining.
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02-26-2015 , 12:41 PM
This is a super-standard 3b unless there are bet-sizing tells.
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02-26-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by turtle82
again... if your purpose is to get villain to fold QQ or JJ or whatever, why do you need TT, a value hand, to do it?



this is very illogical. you're saying you'll show KK+ when you 3bet so that people will give you credit for a big PP every time.. then you say it allows you to 3bet value hands like 1010+ and AK more often. ????? would not the point of showing your KK+ (a pretty bad idea imo but thats another discussion) to be to allow you to 3bet bluff?

I need to add that Balancing your range at lower limits like 1/2 is typically not necessary. a lot of times what happens is you could end up leveling/outplaying yourself by giving Vs a little too much credit

TL;DR bet and raise your value hands, call down hands with showdown value, and bluff air hands, profit
I think what he means is when you 3 bet and only AA/KK 4b you back, then it's an easy fold.

HOWEVER, if the villain flats our 3b, it's probably going to be some hand that plays much weaker, like random Broadways, smaller pp, random Axs or whatever, and against those hands PLUS the fact that our range looks super strong, it should be easy to win post flop.

~o~
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02-26-2015 , 04:21 PM
I usually 3-bet a MP open unless its a nit. I go on the smaller side: $35-40

For a few reasons:

1. Value. most people defend to 3-bets far too wide.

2. Isolation. TT is a value hand, but we really prefer to be heads up/

3. Protection. 2 overs are a coinflip, but only if they get to see all 5 cards. By taking the intiative preflop, in most cases it comes down to whether they can outflop you, which is much more difficult to do. There are many more scenarios that result in a turn or river being played when you just flat preflop, unless you are raising their c-bet on under card flops. In which case, I'd rather be raising preflop when we can still get value from tons of worse hands.
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02-26-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
Fold. You have no read on your opponent so post flop will be guessing what's going on if you don't flop a set. Blinds could three bet and it's a massive open. Your only read is a very general loose passive table, which again, doesn't bode well for your hand.
LOL at this. Unless the mp raiser is the super nit of all nits, I'm NEVER EVER folding 1010 on the button.
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02-26-2015 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crow27
LOL at this. Unless the mp raiser is the super nit of all nits, I'm NEVER EVER folding 1010 on the button.
for real LOL
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