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10-23-2017 , 12:09 PM
Hero (BB) $200
Villain (SB) $900.

Villain is up big, but he does some wacky things. Earlier, he got raised on the flop. He flipped over his hand, exposing TT on Jxhxh board, and jammed all in saying he "thought his opponent had a flush draw." He's LAG, but not an idiot.

Hero: AK

3 limpers and villain limp, Hero raises to $10, SB calls.

Flop (Pot = $24)

542:spaid:

Villain checks,
Hero bets $10
Villain calls.

Turn (Pot = $44)

542:spaid:A

Villain checks.
Hero bets $20
Villain raises $50
Hero calls

542:spaid:A K

Villain jams ~$110 effective.
Hero ....

Villain is definitely capable of a bluff-jam with air. But I think this comes down to number of 3s in his range vs. A5, A4, A2 in his range. I suppose he could have a set, too.
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10-23-2017 , 01:58 PM
Raise more PF, being OOP and with limpers behind (most of the time) you should go bigger, even though it worked this time... if he’s LAG I might expect him to raise the flop or donk into us if he has a 3.

Even though our hand is more transparent after calling turn raise I’m still calling this off because I think our two pair are good against many two pair possibilities that he has.


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10-23-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WhskyRiv
Raise more PF, being OOP and with limpers behind (most of the time) you should go bigger, even though it worked this time... if he’s LAG I might expect him to raise the flop or donk into us if he has a 3.

Even though our hand is more transparent after calling turn raise I’m still calling this off because I think our two pair are good against many two pair possibilities that he has.


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I'm so happy to hear that. After losing $200, I though I effed up the river.

What's standard PFR when opening OOP with limpers?

I guess he he can have 52 and 54.

Lose: 56 combos.
A3: 8
53: 12
43: 12
32: 12
55: 6
44: 6
22: 6

Win: 30 combos
A5: 6
A4: 6
A2: 6
54: 6
42: 6

56:30 = 1.86:1

$254:$110 = 2.3:1

This guy probable could play 67 or some other random air this way, too, which further counsels in favor of calling.

Last edited by TheHammer24; 10-23-2017 at 02:19 PM.
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10-23-2017 , 03:24 PM
Is this $1/2 or $1/3? If it's $1/2, I think pre-flop is fine. If it's $1/3, I'd make it $15 pre.

Bet more on the flop. $15 works as played.

As played, turn and river are probably fine without reads, but I'm only expecting to win ~50% of the time.
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10-23-2017 , 04:23 PM
Check flop, check turn. As played fold turn and fold river. The King on the river means you do beat some of his value hands like a turned 2 pair but I still think his range is more heavily weighted to be straights and possibly sets.
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10-23-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Check flop, check turn. As played fold turn and fold river. The King on the river means you do beat some of his value hands like a turned 2 pair but I still think his range is more heavily weighted to be straights and possibly sets.
Why are we checking flop? We are ahead of his range, although the flop will hit his range more than our range, it will most likely miss both.

Why are we checking turn? We should be massively ahead of his range.
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10-23-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHammer24
Why are we checking flop? We are ahead of his range, although the flop will hit his range more than our range, it will most likely miss both.

Why are we checking turn? We should be massively ahead of his range.
We are checking flop because we don't want to play a bloated pot vs a loose aggressive player when we just have Ace high. Our hand does have showdown value and as such I'm more than willing to give this LAG rope to hang himself if he wishes to bluff turn.

On the turn we have a one pair hand on a 4 card straight board. We can't reasonably expect many worse hands to call us here. Many of the worse hands that will call us would also bluff blank rivers. We really can't expect to get more than 1 street of value from our hand on this board. Also, (I'm assuming) we don't really have any 3s in our range but villain has many in his.

FWIW, I thought the board was a rainbow ( isn't showing up in your post) and the fact that it wasn't means we can get value from more hands but I'd still probably lean towards a check in this spot for the reasons outlined above.
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10-24-2017 , 04:32 PM
Anyone else have thoughts on this hand?
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10-24-2017 , 04:42 PM
Based on what dream crusher said I can kind see merit in checking the flop, which I think we should do sometimes in this situation, but I think we should bet (if checked to) the turn simply for value in that same situation. There are many Ax hands, straight draws that would call... and we would get our one street of value from.

Thinking about it more also a check raise here looks pretty strong from villain, esp at these stakes where most check raises are nutty. I still don’t mind call but food for thought


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10-24-2017 , 04:46 PM
Thanks. I get the argument for checking the flop, but I don't think it's obvious. We should be ahead.

Checking the turn seems insane to me.
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10-27-2017 , 10:30 PM
cbet flop. i check turn b/c the only draw got there, so its a waab scenario.
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