I have played many times against villain during last 10 days. In his eyes i'm probably quite Laggish. He likes limp sometimes and plays very loose, can make a lot of tricky moves and like raising with draws and just with top pair. I think he is loose fishy player.

5xbb open raises are std here.

HERO (~$550). Youngest player at the table.

VILLAIN (~$420). 35ish guy


9 players
Hero in BB dealt KQ.

V in CO opens to 15$, HERO 3bet to 50, V calls

Flop is JT7

HERO bets 65d, Villain calls

Turn is 5


HERO:?

Should I continue barreling or check call or even check-raise.

Do you have any FE against him? jam the turn, it's 305 into 230. You have outs if he calls.

Based on descrip, sounds like you have very little FE here. I would check turn and re-evaluate based on his action.

BTW, this probably is not the guy to be ISOing with KQo from OOP, but thats me.

Villain is identified as loose and is capable of making tricky moves. This is really the last guy we want to be playing OOP, imo. Yeah, KQo is probably ahead of his CO opening range, but big deal, we're going to be playing for the majority of our stacks postflop where this guy ain't just gonna lay his hand face up on the table and make him easy to play against. So I'd just fold preflop and move on to a better spot. If we hate the idea of folding I think I'd rather just flat and play a smaller pot (especially since our preflop FE is likely very small).

If stacks were shorter, we could perhaps think of check/shoving the flop, as we should have decent equity with our overs + OESD plus should have decent FE plus I'm guessing he might stab a lot if checked to. Stacks might be slightly too large to consider this here, but I think it's an option.

I probably give up on the turn but I'm not really sure. I just don't think we should get ourselves in these spots to begin with.

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I agree with the posts above, we shouldn't be 3betting vs a loose tricky guy who we're going to be left OOP with air most of the time.

If this is a loose player who likes to limp a lot, you're crushed by his 5x CO opening range and can safely fold pre.

I understand not wanting to do that though. So now we 3bet and turn our hand into a bluff, because we certainly aren't getting value 3betting his tighter opening range. I don't like this, why not just call? We have no reason to think he's opening polarized, with bluffs that will fold, so 3bet a strong range and call the rest.

I think pre is the biggest mistake in the hand, but I'm going to continue and evaluate the rest...

It's hard to evaluate flop knowing we just 3bet KQo, I'm guessing this isn't part of a balanced 3bet strategy so I'm going to guess at your range. Say we arrive here with: AA-TT, AK, AQ, KQ, KJs, QJs-T9s. We're happy to bet for value and stack off with AA-TT and TJs which is 24 combos. Now we have 48 combos of AK-KQ, and some TPGK hands that are doing okay but probably want to check-call. Let's say we bet-fold our AQ-KQ combos, check-call AK and top pair hands. We should probably have a check-folding range, maybe it's just T9s.

On the turn we still have all our overcard+gs and our sets and two pair hands. We can keep barreling with all our value, again that's 24 combos. We should probably bluff around the same number. I may lean toward underbluffing here because when this guy flats he doesn't look like he wants to fold, so maybe we check-call half our AQ combos with showdown value vs bluffs and barrel the rest. I don't like check-raising in this spot, it's not something we want to do with our value hands.

This strategy might be viable but I prefer not getting myself into these spots where I have to start bluffing marginal hands recklessly.

"...This strategy might be viable but I prefer not getting myself into these spots where I have to start bluffing marginal hands recklessly. ..."

I wish more Villains would do exactly this in my games.

I don’t know if I like Villains description. If he’s a fish can he really make more complicated plays you’re describing post-flop? Could he be cultivating an image whens he’s actually a LAG player?

Regardless, even against a villain with this exact image we may have trouble post-flop on non king or queen high boards. We may beat villains 3! calling range marginally, but we cant be sure. Why aren’t we picking a better spot against this player. AP I c/f to a reasonably sized turn bet. However, I wouldn’t be surprised you see the turn get checked back here.


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Guy sounds like he's on the bad-aggressive spectrum (or not, description is a bit vague).

If so I think a x/shove is a viable play here, as he should bet at a high freq w/ a wide range. Two barrel line is definitely defendable too, as we get his AT/KT/QT/T9s/AK/AQ to fold here alot against anyone not terrible. But if he's sticky with those hands, a two barrel is arguably a big spew.

With CO being the "loose/fishy" player OP claims he is, CO might be playing a 30% range, which gives Hero ~50% equity, with Hero on the high side of 50%. If we assume V would at least min-raise pre with AA & KK, Hero has 54% equity going into the flop. However, he's OOP.

OTF, Hero, IMO, makes the mistake of C-betting. There's a ten otf with another card close to it, the board is highly connected, he's OOP, V isn't likely to fold, Hero's hand has some showdown value & he has a draw.

I wonder what V just calls with otf. QQ? I doubt it. So what's he got that's worth calling a bet that's <65% of the pot after the rake? 98s, JTs, QJs, KJs, KQ, AJ, AT? The sets would have been raised, yes?

I see myself making some kind of blocking bet OTT if I miss & pairing my Q or K is a miss in my book. But I don't crush the game.