Hi all, would be grateful for input on how I played this hand + possibilities to the hypothetical situation at the end

Hero dealt KK UTG straddled pot, raises to $28
folds to button (original straddle) who calls

Flop
Tx 5x Jd

Hero bets $35 ($350 stack)
BTN calls (villain stack size:$250)

Turn
5d

Hero bets $75
BTN calls

River
Tx

Hero checks
BTN checks

Issues
1.When to fire third barrel against villains when OOP with moderate strength hands? I checked to villain on the river unsure of my hand position (little prior history playing this villain). I assumed villain would not call a river bet with worse than KK. At this stack depth I was not worried about villain shoving as i'd just call, but if stacks were deeper I would hate to see a big river bet here.

Hypothetical Situation: Straddled pot multiple callers, showing up with a moderate strength hand (TT,JJ, AJ,AQ) in the small/big blind). With 20BB+ in the pot, I hate playing a bloated pot OOP with a moderate strength hand. I also hate calling here and playing with half the table. Suggestions?

Cheers!

In a vacuum (absent some reads that V is a nit, loose, calling station etc.) I think your assumption is wrong and that you miss value on the river here from a few combos with a jack in them (AJ, KJ) maybe a stupidly played QQ.

You could also size your bets a bit bigger for a V chasing draws (maybe he's gambooley and called PF with SC like 98 or KQ, he may have picked up the diamond FD on the turn).

And maybe I'm wrong but if you're willing to call a shove in this situation, just shove yourself and let V level himself into thinking his TPTK is good. You might even succeed in folding out a random 5 that was beating you.

Depending on how actiony/loose the table is, we could think of limping to reraise. Otherwise, with a $350 stack, I might try to open to $35 (10% of our stack) if I think I can get away with it thanks to the straddle / table looseness.

As played, on the flop we have an SPR of about ~4.5. Villain put in >10% of his stack preflop, if he outflopped us, good for him. Board is slightly drawy. I don't screw around here. I PSB+ the flop so that I can shove the turn and I'm never folding.

With this small SPR, I don't think we should worry about the 3rd barrel cuz this should typically be over with 2 barrels. Even as played, our smallish flop bet setup a smallish turn bet in order to play for anything other than lol stacks for the river. And our smallish flop/turn bets somehow put us in a situation where we thought we weren't committed for the river shove (but we were committed on the flop, imo).

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I think you played it fine, but I would have bet a little more on turn and definitely firing a third barrel (and calling off). He will probably call w/ AJ or similar here. If he has a 10 or 5, that's a tough break.

Hypothetical 2: Sorry, but it depends on the table, stacks, etc.

Don't we lose value from hands like AT and straight draws by firing out a PSB on flop and shoving turn? What's going to call us besides a set/two pair?

Jx can easily call it off. KQ (OESD + overs) can easily call it off. AK/AQ (gutshot + overs) can easily call some bets. K9/Q9/Q8/98 (draws / overs) can easily call some bets. Etc.

And sometimes villain puts us on AK and simply never folds a pair ("why so much?").

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I think this is OK, but I would shove the river for value.

I don't think it's even that thin a value bet.

Tx is very unlikely. Jx is far more likely. He's not folding top pair getting ~3:1. A whiffed draw is possible. You can't really check/fold, and I far prefer to bet for value. I think he calls with two-pairs hands that beat the board.

I agree with gobbledygeek that you could just plan to get it all in on flop and turn.

This is what I would be looking to do.


AP OTR: shove for value. Far more Jx call the flop and turn than Tx