Hand at Wynn, pretty good game with a lot of big pots.

Hero ($800): Late 20's reg, probably seen as LAG raising a lot of hands anywhere from $10-20 pre. Earlier lost a big pot, HH for some context:

UTG raises $15, button calls, SB calls, hero calls with AT. Flop KJ7, SB leads $50, hero calls, UTG raises to $175, button shoves $180, SB re-shoves $800, hero shoves $450, UTG folds what I assume was AA. Turn brick river brick, SB wins with 77.

V1 ($600): 50's white guy, massive fish, playing almost every hand, overbets when he has what he considers a big hand. For example, limped K3o UTG, flopped trips on KK9, then bet $60 into $15 and everyone folded.

V2 ($475): Late 30's/early 40's white guy. Seems pretty tight, hasn't played many hands, calling station type.

Hero in HJ, V1 in CO, V2 on button. Hero dealt 68

Folds to hero, raise to $10, V1 calls, V2 3b to $30, hero calls, V1 calls.

Flop ($94): T75

Hero checks, V1 leads $25, V2 cuts out a raise to $100 but makes a string bet so he is only allowed to raise to $50. Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn ($214): 3

Hero checks, V1 donks $100, V2 calls, hero calls.

River ($514): A

Hero shoves.

Thought river was a pretty interesting card. I debated between c/f and shoving, figuring V1 is stuck between me and the other guy and probably just has a T, and V2 might fold QQ/KK and maybe (doubtful) fold AA fearing a flush.

Spew or good spot for a bluff?

V2 almost always has an overpair here, and I do think that he will fold to the river shove often enough, even though he seems stationy, stations will fold very often to a shove on this particular river. V2 shouldn't have TT here since he just called turn on a double FD board, suggesting he's beginning to become somewhat MUBSY with his hand, making it even more likely he'll fold river.

The real problem is V1. His sizing and leads seem very consistent with Tx, and a strong Tx at that. Unfortunately, a strong Tx for him is VERY often AT, and V2's range blocks the weaker kickers to Tx. Additionally, V1 seems like a level 0.5 drooler, and I think he can call river with Tx regardless a decent amount of the time.

It sucks when we miss our monster draw against two players when we have ridiculous implied odds, but these high implied odds, by definition, mean that our ability to win the pot unimproved begins to approach zero.

Shove into the massive fish and tight calling station who is being aggressive. wp.

Edit: It looks like you got greedy seeing a large pot and a traditional scare card on the river. You should have just swallowed your pride and check folded river knowing that if you hit you'd have been paid. If you had hearts flush draw and got there what would your river action be?

Fold pre.

As played it looks like V1 was drawing to a flush himself. If I was going to play this hand aggressively it would of been on the flop or turn. I personally don't like the shove and think it is pretty thin and I don't think a calling station fish is going to fold much regardless.

Pure spew, I also think I could find a fold on the first hand too.

I would've shoved river with a flush obviously...

V2 obviously has an overpair and getting someone to fold an overpair in a 3b pot is just about impossible so playing flop/turn aggressively doesn't really make sense IMO, especially with the great odds they both keep laying. If everyone turned over their hands on the first one I'd still have odds to call with my draw. SB obviously had a set, UTG AA, and button a FD or possible two pair (turned out to be K3hh).

not a bad bluff, your line does look super strong (shoving into 2 players), and both villans rarely have a flush in this spot.
I think i like it. . . A lot!

Calling a 3bet from a tight calling station is just bad pf. I'd like it a lot better if the villain was more fit or fold with AK. You're not getting odds to out flop him and you can't push him off a hand.

If you were HU and the heart was a non-ace, this would be a more effective bluff. Even as a LAG, the number of 3bet calling FD dropped considerably with the ace on the board. You're trying to get 2 people to fold, not one. Getting nearly 3:1, it is going to be hard for both of them to fold. In addition, the odds are good that V1 has the hand you're trying to rep.

You played it exactly how a flush draw would. I like it, but your image may limit your credibility. Neither of them played it like hearts either. V2 is the one I'm worried about, being a station. It's gonna be hard for him to lay down 2pr or a set here. The river is very interesting because it was the perfect bluff card. What other rivers are you bluff shoving here?

I like the whole line including pre. Irrespective of the results, I like the way the hand was played. V2 probably has an overpair and unless it's AAs hes going to tank fold. V1 may call just because he's a donk but I'm not worried about the last heart being an ace. In the Vs mind, that's how a flush would play the hand. Given Vs descriptions and the mistakes made it seems like they wouldn't know the difference between a heart that's an A or any other heart, they're not ranging hero, they're just playing their hands.

I agree with you, but the fact that Villains are getting a good price to call also means the bluff doesn't need to work that often to be very profitable.

I agree with the OP in that his position makes this interesting. Probably not the worst spot for a bluff. I'd be more worried that someone has a flush than that someone hero calls with some random ten.

I'd give the bluff about a B/B+.

p.s. I think the pot is 244 on the turn and 544 on the river.

The tight guy had K3hh??? I honestly pictured the fish to have almost this exact hand. I do agree that I would not play aggressive on the turn or flop but I also would not jam the river. You had odds to draw and missed so check folding river would be fine for me. I still like folding pre so I don't have to play 68ss OOP against a tight player in a 3 bet pot.

If you were up in the session and hadn't lost a big pot earlier, I like the bluff.

Fish has AT like every time and v2 has jj-aa

The tight guy wasn't in the first hand. That was a different player.

I just hate bluffing these 2 guys. These guys have no idea what you're representing.

Great card to bluff at. V2 should be folding almost always. I'm just worried v1 could have some weird 2 pair and I'm never trying to get this guy to fold 2 pair. Once he donks 100 OTT in a 3bet pot after the flop was raised I'm not trying to get him to fold.

Great hand, great line, just don't like the 2 V's here.

hard to rep anything to people that don't know what repping means tbh.
vs regs this is a good hand, vs described villains this is levelling.

There's a few reasons I don't like a bluff in this spot. First, you shoved earlier and didn't win the pot. People like these Vs are going to peg you as a bluffer and call you down light after witnessing that hand.

The other is the size of the bluff relative to V2's remaining stack. It's so hard to get V2 to lay down a big pair when he's getting that price to call.

On the first hand I called the all-in, didn't shove myself, for what it's worth.

My bad. Important point.

I was trying to say that if you were perceived as the tightest player at the table, this bluff would have a much better chance of working. You've shown yourself as someone who will put in his stack with less than the nuts. Laggy images are better for getting paid on made hands. Tight images are better for running big bluffs.

Results:

Didn't read results...

But, why not x/shove the turn instead?

When V2 does his weak-looking flop x/r, he has a draw like always. In this case, given his 3b preflop, he's going to have AK, or AQ a lot. He might have back-door A-big of clubs too.

When V1 leads the turn, you now have to assume you are drawing to a smaller flush then V1, IMO. There's nothing else that would be a "big" hand that would play like this, given how you've described V1.

Given that V2 merely calls OTT, you can pretty much peg him on A-big either or .

So now, as played, you have to ask yourself if either player is capable of folding TP here. Probably they are not. So I don't like the river shove.

But I do like shoving the turn. You have 4 straight outs to the nuts, you have 4 straight outs that give you a straight where your opponents could have flush draws (2 of which give you a smaller flush), and the remaining 7 flush outs. So, with your 15 outs, you have plenty of equity to semi-bluff at the turn.

The only thing that I don't like about shoving the turn is that the 3 doesn't hit anything except 64hh and 64cc. So you'd have to otherwise be playing A-big- (and if someone else holds big 's then they're going to sniff you out) or TT, 77. Anyone fairly good at hand reading is going to put you on a semi-bluff and should be snapping you off with a 1PGK+. But then again, we make $$$ at this game when our opponents make mistakes -- and in this case, we can expect they're going to hate that turn shove.

Is a $10 raise really going to thin the field preflop, even in the HJ? I'd either open limp (I'm cool with inviting CO into a pot with me) or raise larger. Calling the 3bet is kinda meh, imo. I guess we're getting good implied odds, are probably up against a face up hand, will also get in the hand with the fish, although we're really going to have to smash this flop to continue in a small SPR pot, plus perhaps have some poor RIO against larger flush (where we can never fold).

Even the flop call is kinda meh too, no? The donker might raise (although I guess we're reading that he's not), plus some of our outs our dirty / might kill action.

I also just call the turn. Already getting the right odds, well disguised backdoor, doubt we have much FE against 2 opponents.

Interesting river. Personally, I don't have the balls. V1 is a "massive fish", and even though he didn't bet huge on the turn, he still bet the turn after V2 wanted to raise the flop. Is attempting to fold a massive fish a good play? And what is V2's preflop 3betting range? A large percentage of it just got there (i.e. AA), and I don't believe he's going to manage a fold.

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V2 didn't c/r the flop, he's on the button. He tried to raise the flop donk to $100 and failed miserably. I am 99.7% sure that V2 has QQ+ here. I am also 99.7% sure he's not folding the turn, but the river is interesting because QQ/KK might fold when the worst card in the deck shows up on the river, and he's more like to have those hands than AA when he just flats V1's turn donk.

I doubt tight villain plays AA that much differently than KK/QQ on the turn with this action; they are all basically the same hand at this point. So if he's raising to commit stacks, he's doing that, or otherwise he's calling to see what happens.

Very surprised he called the river without AA (which I think he is calling all the time, which is pretty much confirmed by results of what other hands he is sometimes calling with).

I think V1 just has a T here most of the time when he donks the flop and turn, then at some point realized V2 must actually have an overpair. I'm not sure if he would call the river with AT or not given V2 behind and me shoving what looks like a made flush on the river.

$10 preflop seems fine given that I will probably be OOP and deep against the CO/button and don't want to create a huge pot with suited gappers. $12/15/18 fine too and I vary my raise sizing for both speculative hands and value hands, this one just happened to be a $10 raise. Think calling flop is automatic when I'm getting a $50 discount and there's almost no way V1 is re-raising V2 on the flop unless he has a monster. Turn is obvious call getting 39209:1 with so many clean outs and little to no FE on a shove.